Who is the leader of this "leaderless" discussion?

Robby

NO leader, Robby. Just us chickens! What are YOU reading this summer, besides Democracy in America!

Of which I've ordered a paperback to call my very own. I'm rather enjoying the library version; I hope what I ordered is the same. In any case, I'll be ready for July 28!

Jeryn: I never did understand (and I'm serious here) what was meant by "summer reading." It implies that one has nothing to do and is lying on the beach or relaxing in a hammock and so picks up a book or two to wile away the time. But I can't relate to "nothing to do." I wake up every morning (365 days a year) thinking over which of the 25 projects I have that I will concentrate on that day. That is not to imply that my life is hectic. I just go on living methodically and sometimes one of those projects might be reading some book I wanted to get at. But it has nothing to do with summer.

Robby

Generally, I'm the same as you, Robby. I believe the sort of books meant by "Beach Books" are those one buys in an airport to while away a tedious trip, or take on a long weekend to read in the car while someone else drives, or to take to the beach--duh!--and you don't care if it gets all oily and sandy! SOME of us actually DO this stuff! Heh heh!

Oh yes, beach books, yes, they are in a class by themselves, and probably differ as much as the people who read them.

If I had a dollar for every time somebody asked me what to carry on a plane trip I would be a millionaire.

Leisure reading, I see where B&N has gone in with Crystal Cruise Lines to do suggested reading for their libraries, based on their destinations with pretty long lists for you to buy and prepare for the trip with.

Oh yes, the beach, sand in the book, oil in the book and for some reason the pages get all swollen, so it needs to be a paperback!

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My favorte type of beach book is escapist stuff. I love reading about the very rich and all their interesting lives. I love Stephen Birmingham, an author, by the way, whom our Ella Gibbons DID secure for a Gathering but who, unfortunately lives in Cleveland and we just went west.

But I love Stephen Birmingham and am treating myself to his The Auerbach Will as we speak.

Yes, indeed. It's the story of a rich family in NYC, they are Jewish as so many of these stories feature, and it lists some of the first names in NYC as table guests, for the...Christmas Tree Decorating Party?

Now I don't know any more than you do at this point so we can all wonder why they are doing this, except that they used to have 100 at the table but now it's reduced to maybe....25 or so, and each person (can you imagine this) selects an ornament and pins it on and gives a toast (just like your house, right?) and so it's just a fun book. When I think of our meagre and pitiful tree decorating, I sigh and long for a table with 100 people, all ready to grab one ornament out of the THIRTY BOXES of same which were brought in?

Here we are in the ballroom which is a full city block from the salon (of course, don't YOU own a city block?) and we're watching Josh Auerbach who is the President and CEO of something or other climb up the ladder because he has to do the star with the star in one hand and the champagne glass in the other (picture that one) and toast his mom, our heroine, Essie, who is about to have her 90th birthday.

I mean it's fabulous, and wherever you are or whatever your cares are, you are IN that room and watching the unbelievable spectacle of a man that age climbing a ladder so accoutered.

I love Stephen Birmingham, but that's MY choice for recreational reading on the beach, what's YOURS?

Wonderful idea for a discussion, Jeryn, I love it!

ginny

Actually, every time I read the page titled "Beach Reading" in The Washington Post's BOOK WORLD, I Do think of lying under a beach umbrella, on a beach towel or large cotton blanket, in a bathing suit, sunglasses on, large Pina Colada and a book. But I do not picture ME that way, just everyone who is reading this list of books! "Summer reading", to me, means a list you have to get through before you return to school in the fall.

Since I read all the time, all year round, and am now out of school, I cannot relate to the title of this discussion. But hey, I'm here anyway!

Escapist reading: ah! That is another subject entirely. My wonderful small shelves, at the top of my bookcases, just filled to the brim, in two layers, with Murder Mysteries by all of the very best authors. The moment I read a review of a mystery I think I would like, or see a notice that a favorite author has come out with a new one, I write it on a list. Then, as soon as it comes out in paperback, it is added, ummmmmph, tight fit! I have not read one single one of the hundreds I have on hand. As soon as they Are read by me, I send them on to a family member. They have frequently been loaned out to neighbors, however, who use me as a lending library. Each is admonished that they will be as dead as the corpse in the book if they do not return it, because it has not yet been read by Me!

This is my addiction. I have no other that I am aware of. But I have such a Fear of missing a book I want to read! When I was a child, I would send relatives long lists of books I hoped they would send me for Christmas or birthdays. I read everything in our house, including a whole set of encyclopedic-type volumes of the complete history of World War I. Then I would go up and down the street, knocking on doors, to see if anyone had anything I could read. I think I became imbued with an anxiety about running out of reading material, which I frequently did from about age 7 to age 13.

My greatest disappointment as a (sweet little) old lady, okay, Senior Citizen, is that I cannot read as quickly or for as long as I could when younger. I tire and have to stop. My eyes begin to weep (not the same thing as crying) and sting, and I have to stop. This is a real bummer.

Oh bummer, on the eyes, Mary Page, but oh I'm so like you books books, I have to have books. Just like stocking a pantry with food. I like to look at them on the shelf and wait till I'm in the mood to read them! I'm JUST NOW reading The Auerbach Will which I have had since 1984. OK so the pages are a bit yellow, so what?? It was there when I wanted it, that's all that counts! hahahaha

But you and I are very different in one way, I don't want ANYBODY reading a book I own before I do, not even a magazine, nothing. No, mine has to be just for me the first time, it's (well I would like to say it's my only peculiarity but I fear it's not) ONE of my strange ways.

But hey, that's what makes us who we are!

ginny

To all beach readers,

Please, for the sake of the hard-working and under-paid library staff make sure the oil and sand gets only on your own book and not on a library book. Cleaning library books that have been returned after a beach vacation is not the way they like to spend their days! Been there, done that!!

Phyll

Oh, Phyll, absolutely, when I say paperback I mean cheapo personal property, gosh. Would not think of taking a library book to the beach. In fact, I rent out very few library books, use the library myself mostly for reference books I don't have.

I have to personally own the book and you make a good point, because once you've "beachercized" the book, it's really not fit for much else but another beach reader! When we would rent condos at the beach, I would leave mine behind in the stack already there for the next beach reader.

ginny

This may be poor form but I'd like to suggest my own book to women looking for a summer read. It's about a summer reunion of women in their 50's who have been out of touch with each other for almost 40 years. I like to hear from other women about their circle of friends and how they have kept in touch or regrouped after a long silence.

SeWilds.....What is the name of your book? I'm not sure if it's bad form, but it sounds like a perfect summer read. Friendship between women has always been on the top of my list of favorite topics.

Suzy

Hi, Se Wilds and Suzy Q and welcome to the Books & Lit! Se Wilds you might want to check out our Author's Corner above where our published authors meet, but the book does sound very good, especially to soebody like me about to attend their 40th HS reunion. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Look around, both of you, and stay awhile!

ginny

Thanks for the welcome Ginny. Now - on to summer reading. I have just finished Barbara Delinsky's "Lake News". What fun that was. A Boston lounge singer is falsely accused of having an affair with a newly appointed Cardinal. She is fired from her job, is hounded by the media and is virtually driven out of town. She seeks refuge in her hometown of Lake Henry, New Hampshire and there the story begins. It's fast reading and easy to get back into the story when you pick it up again.

It just occured to me that perhaps this book has been discussed previously. I haven't been keeping up.

Speaking of beach sand and oil - I live on a lake and take my books on my floating chair in a zip lock bag. I open it when I get out to the middle of the lake where it's quiet and DRY. I can't think of anything more enjoyable, unless it's getting cozy by a fire with a "winter" book.

Really looking forward to this discussion.

Suzy

SuzyQ, now that's how we'll picture you from now on, how marvelous, floating on the lake with your book, heaven!

Have you looked at the Romance discussion, it's a corker and they've read some by her, I think, they have a new one going up right now, Invitaion, and when you see the heading you will have a fit, it's just gorgeous, just like this one.

In my book, Essie has just made a will, I guess that's why they call it The Auerbach Will, because she wants her famous art collection to go to the Met and not her grasping family (daughter) and she's strugging with other issues too, and it's really good. And it's really fun telling about it, I like this discussion.

ginny

Auerbach Will - That will be my next one. At the moment, I'm ploughing through "Chromosone 6" by Robin Cook. Not exactly summer reading, but a friend loaned it to me and I feel I should give it a few more chapters before I throw in the towel. It's hard cover so I save it for bedtime.

Have a wonderful 4th everyone.

Ginny....I'll check out the Romance folder, however, I like a little mystery with my romance.

Suzy

Hi there SuzyQ and Miss Ginny. Miss Ginny should read about "how to" peel peaches the proper way. That is not up for discussion here. Welcome SuzyQ. Did we get the name of that book yet? It sounds like a terrific read. I have recently been contacted by two of my high schoold classmates (via email) who would like to get together for our 40th ,this up-coming year. What a riot talking to these two ladies whom I've not seen in 40 yrs, but after 10 min. of IM conversation felt like we were old sorority sisters once again. Let me not digress. I am reading the book that has just recently been made into a movie, starring Geo. Clooney. "The Perfect Storm." What a good read, quite technical re. sword fishing and the rigs that accomplish this task. I am very anxious to see the movie. I understand Suzy about keeping your novel in a plastic bag. I do that too. I get out into my pool, float along the top (like a fat Cheerio)for a little while and reach for my newest read. Such fun! What other books do you like?

Speaking of Beaches, has anyone ever read Beach Music? I think it's by Pat Conroy, who wrote "Prince of Tides." What a great book, I thought it a perfect example for the 'beach boooks."

Alf.....I LOVED "Beach Music". I read it several years ago and couldn' put it down. It's on my list of books to read again. Have you read "The Saving Graces"? That's another good summertime read. So is "Up Island". I don't believe we ever did get the name of the book SeWilds was talking about. If you're lurking SeWilds, tell us the title so we can dig in.

I've just ordered "Name Dropping" by Jane Heller and "Distant Memory" by Alto Gansky and "Julie and Romeo" just to throw a little romance into the mix.

Off to work - catch you all later.

Suzy

You both, of course, will be thrilled with our taste here in the Books, we read UP ISLAND and THE PERfECT STORM as book club selections, and ejoyed them as far as I can remember, by which I mean I found fault with both as I recall. hahaahahaa

The best book, in my opinion, that Ann Rivers Siddons ever wrote (and Stephen King agrees) is the one and only THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR which is X rated but still one of the best books I think I ever read, if you like that sort of thing.

Great book for beach or lawn or lake, as the case may be.

ginny

Ginny.....I have read several books by Ann Rivers Siddons. but must have missed that one. Now, just what exactly is "that sort of thing"?

Suzy

Yeah, Ginny: What sort of thing? I love Siddeons also but have never even heard of that one. X rated! Yahoo! Smutty? Yahoo! Dirty old lady, you. We' ve already read Beach Music here and Perfect Storm? No!! Tell me it isn't so and WHAT in the world did you not like about Beach Music? Of course, I have such crazy friends in my life, I felt right at home with that book. Pray tell, master reader..

Well I take a book with me where ever I go except to the beach! I could gaze at that water rolling in forever and never get tired of looking. Also the sun always bounces off those pages and hits me in the eye something fierce. At the lake or pool I just want to be in the water not sitting around.

Now a shady spot in the backyard but even there I'd rather do needlework. I just like to read either waiting for an appointment regardless in the car or at a Doctor's office or comfortablly seated either in my house or a coffee shop or a bookstore.

I did read a shorty the last week in Borders. Started to look at The Fairies of Fryfam and couldn't put it down. Got myself some coffee and finally a sandwich for supper never lifted my head for a little over 3 hours (it's only 200 pages) It is a delight. I've never been one for detective stories but the heroine is Agatha Raison who lives in the Cotswelds. She needs a break and rents a house in Norwich where a typical British mystery murder unfolds with all the charm of country side discription and lots of diologue between her and the locals along with a younger male friend. It reminded me a bit of a 21st century Miss Marple without all the terror and grizzle of a Stephen King.

The upshot is after looking on the net this Scotish author has written 10 Agatha Raison mysteries! They can be had in paperback for about $5 a piece.

Oh yes, Barb, the inimitable MC Beaton, you must read her very first one, Agatha Raisin and the Quiche of Death, it's a classic, she's very good. I did not care for the Vet one but so far it's the only one of hers I don't like.

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I was not talking about Beach Music which I have not read but, because of your sterling reviews, have ordered, but UP ISLAND and THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.

I think THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR is the best book I have read of Siddons, period. It does have some parts in it that might offend some of our more.....particular readers? And so rather than give it a blanket "if you missed this book you haven't read a book" blurb, which would be my inclination, I do want to add that caveat lest I get all sorts of angry letters, on the order of: "Well, I never, if you had told me THAT was in the book I certianly would never have read it?" type of thing.

Be warned about THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, it's not your ordinary book.

But it is so good I used to keep copies just to lend out (and never got them back). It's just been reprinted in paperback so should be easy to find. She achieved a style in it she has never duplicated again.

Stephen King loves it.

Read it for yourself but Caveat Emptor.

ginny

Ginny.....My curiosity is peaked. I shall hunt for it this weekend. Just received "Mortal Sins" by Penn Williamson and "Bloodline" by Jill Jones from my book club. The weather has turned damp and cool here in Michigan. PERFECT reading weather. I'll be back when I come up for air.

Suzy

Ha-ahahahahah-ha! I have read many names attached to our Ginny, but Caveat Emptor takes the prize! I never was good at heeding that particular advice, Ginny. I'm far too impulsive, but will say Borders here I come. I've promised my grandson I'd buy him the latest Harry Potter on Sat and now I'll have to buy ME The House Next Door. Promise me--- NO norman Bates lives there.

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SuzyQ: hmmm? Bloodline? I deep getting a mental picture of a Harold Robbins read. That's not it, is it?

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anybody like John Jakes. I know that this is the ziggy-fillenth time I've asked, but NOONE hears me.

I like John Jakes! Ask me why sometime.

why, pat??? Are you related? Did I hear that somewhere? Oh please tell me that some day I can shake your hand; kiss your feet? carry your luggage? shine your shoes? Name it!!

Have you read his latest book?

My daughter has just ordered it from her book club, so Johnny boy lost another 20 bucks here, Pat. Have you read it? Can it ever be as good as North & South? have we ever discussed any of his books here?

Alf....John Jakes - sounds familiar. What has he written? Re Bloodline - I thought the same thing. I read that one by Robbins. I think that was Bloodlines, with an s. This one is about a female criminal profiler who is in the business because of the unsolved death of her younger sister. She is also a closet "Sherlockian", involved in a group that follows the famous detective. So of course the story takes us to London and an involvement with a modern day Jack the Ripper. I think I'll read this one in the daylight.

Ta ta for now kindred spirits.

Suzy

John Jakes! John Jakes, Suzy is the the ultimate author.

He has written the American history saga. The Bastard, The Rebels, The Furies. etc. He wrote North and South and its sequel. If my brain weren't dead, I would be rattling these names off. However, my CRS has set in and I am brainless in Saratoga. Pat, dear, where are you? HEELPPPPpppp

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Alf and Pat.....Boy - you gals are sure on top of things. At the risk of getting kicked out of the club, I have to admit - not my cup of tea. But I have lots of other good qualities.

Suzy

I was trying to think of the last time I met a woman with a bodice.

Robby

Suzy, Thank you for asking. The name of my book is The Opening. I'm Susannah Wilds. I've followed your discussions of Siddons and Conroy and I'm aspiring to be SC's lake novelist rather than beach lover... everyone seems to write about our coast but the midlands are lovely too and there are fewer scarey things in the water.

SeWilds.....How exciting. Why does your name sound so familiar. I'm sure I've read something of yours. Is "The Opening" available everywhere? I will look for it.

Thank you for responding.

Suzy

My first time here so bear with me if I repeat anything you have already discussed. My FAVORITE book so far this summer is The Pilots Wife by Anita Shreve. So easy to read and so entertaining. I actually bought the book when it was originally one of Oprah's picks but didn't get around to reading it until just a few days ago. Once started I couldn't put it down.

Alf--I loved the Perfect Storm and Beach Music!! Beach Music is one of those that I hated to see end and made me yearn for more . Perfect Storm reinforced my already healthy respect for the sea. I can hardly wait to see the movie!

Ginny--I plan to go out tomorrow to find The House Next Door. I have read a lot of her books but don't remember hearing about this one.

Hi Nan42.... Welcome to Books... I hope you will check out our other discussions.

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Hi Nan42.....I read "The Pilot's Wife". I found it difficult to get through. I read "The Weight of Water", also by Shreve and really disliked that one. I have decided it must be the author. Some authors you click with and some you don't. I have just finished "Mortal Sins" by Penn Williamson. It's a story set in New Orleans in 1927. Mystery and romance are all tied up with family history. The two main characters are Damon Roark and Remy LeLourie and I know I've read these characters some where previously. However, I believe this is the authors first book. Do these names sound familiar to anyone else? At the moment I'm bookless and am having withdrawal. I guess I'll have to reread something until my bookclub editions get to me.

Happy beach reading everyone.

Suzy

Just finished "Island Justice" By Elizabeth Winthrop. Good summer reading. It's about island people and how they stick together and dogs. A love story and a confused teen-ager beginning to grow up. The writing is not great, but it held my short attention span. The character are pretty good. I liked some of them. Always a requirement for me. I have to like someone in the book.

Sage

Sage.....Me too! I always enjoy a book more if I can relate to at least one of the characters.

Suzy

I understand A.R. Siddons has a new book out. A departure from her usual ... about a teenager. Anyone read it yet?

SeWilds.....I haven't read Siddons new book, but I did read "The Opening" and enjoyed it very much. The epiloque was perfect.

Suzy

I just finished Grisham's newest The Brethren. I enjoyed it. Has anybody else read it yet? I kept attempting to "cast" these judges.

Alf.....The Brethern -I'm having a difficult time getting through that one. But then I always do when it comes to Grisham's books. If I can just stick with it, I am usually glad I did. I haven't read enough to cast the judges yet. I'll put faces on them as I go along.

Suzy: That is the way that I felt about the last couple of Grishams' books. Not this one though! It grabbed me right away and I finished it in the car on my travels. Try again.

I wonder if you all have seen a new publication of B&N, called The Barnes & Noble Guide to New Fiction

We need to talk about this publication in the Library, hope to get something up today about it, but I was struck by some of the points in it?

For instance, if the book is considered a "Beach Book" they put a little cartoon beach umbrella next to the title like a Travel Guide, to indicate that fact.

Their definition of a BEACH BOOK is "A good beach read; not too wordy, easy to dip in and out of without losing the plot line."

Not too wordy.

Sometimes I wonder if we, in our fast age of living, are losing what made literature literature? Do you think A Christmas Carol would have succeeded in today's standards? Have you forgotten the wordiness of that one where Dickens even takes off on the nail of a coffin?

Here are what some of the Booksellers (who wrote this book for that purpose tho they deny it) say are the top "Beach Books:"

The Toughest Indian in the World, The Angel on the Roof, The Marines of Autumn, A Gathering of Spies, Spytime, The Great Divide, Demolition Angel, Stern Men, Jemima J, Under Cover of Darkness, The Best American Mystery Stories of the Century, Devil's Claw, Kill the Pope, No Great Mischief, Plain Truth, Gone for Soldiers, Murder at Foggy Bottom, The Kind of Love that Saves You, Pawing Through the Past, Purple Cane Road, Darkest Fear, The Empty Chair, Skeleton Dance, Circle of Three, Rescue Me, The Second Silence, Blackberry Wine, The Search, After Lucy, The Hades Factor, Windchill Summer, A Little Love, Saturn's Race, Suspicion of Malice, Red Light, The Ice Limit, Lost Girls, Julie and Romeo, Deadly Decisions, The Lost Legends of New Jersey, The Dark House, The Obituary Writer, Prospero's Children, World of Pies, The Blackwater Lightship, The Poisoned Serpent, The Run, Dating Big Bird

Now my question for you today is: have you ever heard of one of them?

ginny

I've heard of 8 of them. I picture a "Beach" book as something like Beach Music or something lighter and romantic perhaps. There were quite a few heavy thrillers in their list.

It crossed my mind they are trying to sell some "sleepers." Beach books are NOT sleepers!!

It crossed my mind that they are trying to sell books, period, Linda! There are very few that they rate as sleepers and some of the new supposed block busters are strangely UNRATED, and even more strangely they are those which have received mixed reviews.

Interesting.

I'm going to order the Jersey one, it looks like me! hahahaha

ginny

I've never heard of any of those books. Anyway, if I go to the beach I don't go to read.

Ginny: Ye of little faith..do you really believe that B & N has an ulterior motive with their publication?????Actually, I saw the book & I looked through it,but it wasn't free,so I read it there/

Two of the books I've read... Demolition Angel is by Robert Crais (one of my favorite mystery/thriller writers)and it is a guaranteed page turner..with decent character development,a deftly woven plot.more information than you care to know about explosives and a female bomb squad expert who has already died once and one of the best first chapters of the genre that I've ever read.

Best American Mystery Stories of the Century is an anthology of 100 mystery short stories by a pantheon of American mystery writers.One of the editors is Otto Penzler who owns the Mysterious Book Store in NYC & LA (he is quite an engaging character if you ever get the chance to meet him in NYC). This book is a wonderful read.

I'm in-between shore visits,but I'm hitting the road again in a few hours.

Ithink I've read "Suspicion of Malice" and "Deadly Decisions", but cannot pull authors names out of my head. I believe both were written in the Patricia Cornwall genre. Not sure I would label them beach books. I prefer my beach reading to be much lighter. I really need something that I can put down every few minutes to watch a boat go by or to just bask in the glory of being.

Suzy

Darkest Fear is by Harlan Coben and has been touted by many as being a very good thriller. The Empty Chair is by Jefferey Deaver and is the third in his series with the parapalegic, Lincoln Rhyme, and the crimes he solves. His previous suspense/thrillers were The Bone Collector and The Coffin Dancer.

The Great Divide is the gap between my waistband and my blouse. Never heard of any of these either.

The bone collector was made into a movie this past year. It was quite successful at the box office. One of those dark, serial killer kind of stories.

Ed, I just read your post again, you said you were leaving in a few HOURS, I could have answered right then, but understood you to be on your way back out the door, Drat!

You are such a wag, I expected it to be free, too, and finally, since I had to leave the store, bought it in a huff because I thought we could use it here.

So you're spending YOUR "weekends on the Jersey Shore," hah? We used to go to Shipbottom when we went, or are you more Long Island bound?

Anyway, stay out of those casinos!

hahahaha

O me of no Barnes & Noble faith especially when the said what they did in the opening chapters, see the Library.

They are actually, I do beleive, afraid of the Online presence, and THAT, my friends, needs to give us great pause.

I'm glad to hear of that recommendation, there were precious few they DIDN'T recommend.

Alf, you are SUCH a hoot with that, did you take a good look at me?

So the criteria is a book you can pick up and put down? Well now. What can we say? There have been precious few I haven't been able to put down lately.

I finished the Birmingham Auerbach Will and it was disapointing and not his best, threw everything in there BUT the kitchen sink.

I'm now reading The Godfather and I am very surprised, not having seen any of the movies more than 5 minutes in, but being a total Soprano's fan, at how DARK this book is, how nasty. The characters are nasty, they do nasty things and the whole book reeks of evil.

Unlike the Sopranos, not a book, but a Mafia type series, in which the characters are nice people who occasionally do very unnice things.

A big difference, I'm not sure I can even get thru READING The Godfather, but we did just pass the horse head in the bed. I keep seeing Brando mumbling with his cotton pads in his mouth and James Caan as Sonny and Al Pacino as Mike, who played Fredo in the movie? I have never gotten more than 5 minutes into any Godfather movie.

ginny

My husband sailed right through Omerta (sp?) by Mario Puza and said it was very good and well written. He really liked the book.

Linda, I did buy Omerta and have heard a lot of good things about it, did your husband see the Godfather movies and if so, does he remember who played Fredo?

Does he watch the Sopranos?

ginny

He's seen the movies but doesn't know who played Fredo and we don't get HBO so we don't watch the Sopranos. I would like to see it, but can't.

Ginny - Fredo was played by John Cazale who was a fine actor who died of Cancer (i believe) some years ago. He did some great work in The Godfather, as well as Dog Day Afternoon and was a buddy of Pacino's. I was priveleged to see them both on stage in Boston some years ago in a Mamet play.

I usually post in the mystery thread but there has not been much in the way of mystery discussions .Everyone must be reading Beach Books.Re: your list I did read Plain Truth.It is by Jodi Picoult.I enjoyed it.I have my name on the list at the library for Romeo and Julie.Heard good things about it.

I just received my copy of Romeo and Julie today. Looks delicious. I can't wait to get started. Will keep you posted.

Suzy

Wow, Charlie, what a thrill, to see Pacino and Cazale (thank you for that name, that's not who I thought it was) and a Mamet play! WOW!!

I still think Glengary Glen Ross was a great movie, I know a lot of people don't agree, but gosh, Mamet, Lemmon, Baldwin, the whole cast and the....it was fabulous.

This is great, we now have two people about to read Romeo and Julie, when we get finished we can compare YOUR ratings with the ones the B&N Booksellers gave, this will be fun.

How about Plain Truth,Marelin? What's your opinion of it and I'll tell you what B&N said! OK I'm sitting here looking at the review: what THEY said, but we trust our readers here more. Would you say it:

Kept you up all night reading?

Was a good plane read?

Was a good beach read: not too wordy, easy to dip in and out of without losing the plot line

Put you to sleep?



Assigning points (if you feel like it) how many 1 being the lowest and 5 being the highest, would you give it for:

Writing: how well written is it?

Plot development: is it easy to follow?

Characterization: are the characters memorable and realistic?

Readibility: is it a good book/ fun to read?

This may be interesting if you can recall how you felt at the time, don't want to put you on the spot!

ginny

This is a first for me.,As to your first group of quesitons none of the above .I really liked it and read it in two days. Second group 4 5 5 5 I enjoy Jodi Picoult's work and I also like reading books which have to do with the Amish liestyle.Even thou the plot might be a little hard to believe it didn't effect my liking the book. How did I do compared to BN review?

I just looked at my book jacket. It's "Julie and Romeo", not Romeo and Julie. I am now going to take a long soak with some bubbles and begin.

Suzy

Marelin, they rated it Kept them up all night, reading (that seems to go with your 2 days), a good book for a plane, and the beach, 5 stars for Writing, 5 for Plot, 5 for Characterizations and 5 for Readability.

In fact it got one of their best reviews!

"An excellent portrait of Amish life ....captivating, heartwrenching...." Quotes included, "What a great book....Amazing...Universally loved by our booksellers....a great book club recommendation...."

So it appears on that one we are in sinc with them.

They gave it an all over rating of 5 book stars.

Would you believe I have never heard of the author?

Another one on my long list of WANNA READS!

Thanks so much!

ginny

Ginny: Was it you who mentioned Siddeons The House Next Door? Well, I just read it in the car. Fortunately I am able to enjoy cross stitching, reading and crossword puzzles while en route. It is a good thing as I find it difficult to remain quietly sitting for more than 2 minutes at a given time. For a total of 1460 miles back home I enjoyed The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, viewed a bit of Dem. In america, read Hary Potters 3rd book (I loved it) and started Greg Iles new one(one of my favorite suspense authors) I enjoyed The House Next door, thinking all thru the read what a different type of story this was for her. I didn't realize that she had written this over 20 years ago. I think all of her novels are well written and I gave her a 4 for this. Plot development - a strong 5; characterization a 5 +, very memorable and realistic (Ginnys words); readibility 5+. Was it you Suzy who is the Siddeons fan? Would you like me to send it on to you? email me if you'd like it.

How about the latest Spencer book as a beach book?I am reading Robert Parker's Hugger Mugger.Spencer is approached by a wealthy horse owner and his daughter to find out who is killing his horses and to prevent his horse Hugger Mugger(Whom he has hopes of becoming a triple crown winner) from being killed.Spencer leaves Boston for Georgia and starts his investigtion He meets the mans very dysfunctional family and soon the man is murdered Because the police are now involved Spencer is told his services aren't needed any longer.He returns to Boston and since this all occurs in the first third of the book you just know he isn't going to be happy until he becomes reinvolved in the solving of the horse shootings and the murder.So far this Spencer isn't disappointing me as do none of his books.

Marelin" Is the new harcover book that you're talking about? What is the name of it? Please.

Hi yes it is the new hard cover Title is Hugger Mugger.Good read.

Alf, yes it was I who recommended The House Next Door, can't imagine reading in a car, don't you get sick with the motion? Boy you have put your driving time to good use, LOOK at all that reading! Great for you!

I think in The House Next Door, which I believe is Siddon's first book, not sure, that her descriptions of their afternoons on the patio have never been equalled for sheer artistry in writing.

Stephen King says that it's one of the best books of its kind ever written. You seem to have enjoyed it, so I'm glad.

It IS very different from her others, and, to me, in some ways, she has never equalled it, tho I have not read John Chancellor Makes Me Cry

Marelin, that sure sounds good, is there much description of the killing of horses, that's pretty awful in real life?

Of course in the book The Godfather the "horse head" scene comes early on and is thoroughly revolting.

I did buy Beach Music yesterday and it looks a perfect read. I may save it for my stint at the beach in November.

You can certaily pick up and put down the Mitford series, I wonder if they would count as "beach books?"

ginny

I read like a crazy woman and would like to recommend some other titles and authors - LOVED Beach Music by Conroy, of course, but also adore the work of Jo Humphries, Lee Smith, Elinor Lipman, Sandra Ray King and Edna O Brien. Has anybody read Katterskill Falls by Allegra Goodman? There's a real eye opener for you, especially if you arer NOT an Orthodox Jew. I loved it.

Hey, Dot!! Welcome here! I've heard tons about Katterskill Falls and I love reading about Orthodox Jews, have read all the Potok books, another good one for the girl who spent summers in the Katskill Mountains working at resorts where they "kept Kosher."

So glad you're here! Pull up a beach chair and dust off that sand and stay awhile!

ginny

Welcome Dot: We are so happy that you have joined us. Beach Music is still one of my all time favorites. Do you think that many times our reactions to what we read is based on what is going on in our lives at that time? I knew so many of those crazy people in Beach Music, I felt right at home, in their midst.

Thanks Marelin: A very special person in my life is a horse "nut" and loves any story about horses, trainers, jockeys, etc.. I will get this one for him. shshhshhhh I have two bets made on the races in Saratoga today. Mike Smith is my jockey.

Ms Ginny: You are so right in your reference to the tender description given us by Siddeons in The House Next Door. Their love, devotion and sheer comfort with one another is one to be coveted. I'm mailing it to Suzy for her enjoyment.

No no there is no description.Only mentioned when Spencer is hired for the job.

Alf and Ginny - Re The House Next Door - will it make me cry?

Beach Music is one of my all time favorites too. It made me laugh, it made me cry and it made me long for days gone by. Now - is that not a perfect book or what?

By the way - I can't wait to get The House Next Door. I began "Name Dropping" last night until my lights went out during a storm. I read for a while by candle light and then gave up. How did those people do it? However, I think I'm going to like it. It's fun in a sinister sort of way.

Suzy

Oh good Suzy, if you liked Beach Music, you'll love this one. Siddeons conjuring up some magic.

Alf - I love magic. This is a little off the subject, but did anyone see "Practical Magic"? It was just a little movie, but one of my favorites.

Sandra Bullock?

Yes - and Nicole Kidman. And two other wonderful women. Their names escape me now. Anyway, I loved the interaction between the women. I read the book first. It was one of those books that you cast while you're reading. I didn't see any of those women playing their parts as I was reading, but they were perfect. It just occured to me that this probably belongs in "Books into Movies". Oops! Sorry.

Suzy

Parker's Hugger Mugger is well written mystery. Spenser may be out of Boston, but he took his crime fighting skills with him.

The movie "Practical Magic" was a fun watch!

I always try to have a new Mauve Binchly to read when I get a little blue. Her breezy irreverance is wonderful on any subject. Have read everything I could find of hers in last 10 years and theyu are all mixed together in my mind. Also Anna River Siddons is a favorite. She is probably a relative of mine. I hope so. heheh. Faith

I think I read some place that M. Binchy has retired from writing. She and Pilchner are two of my favorite authors. They both have retired now

You may have to order it in Britian first but here is Winter Soltice by R. Pilchner her newest publication available August 2000.

Good news Maeve Binchy may have given up her daily column but it doesn't sound like she is retiring.

One of the best but Pillars of the Earth ranks up there, too. Does anyone out there remember a book called Miss One Thousand Spring Blossoms by John Ball? One of my all-time most favorite books.

I would be very upset if Maeve Binchey or Rosamund Pilchner had retired I love thier stories anytime ,any where not just on the beach<g>

Maeve Binchey & Rosamund Pilchner are two of my all time favorite writers. It is sooo good to see that they are still writing.

Phillip Caputo "The Vayage" has it all. A wonderful book. Also ALL of John Irving's books.

Call me what you will........I cannot sustain any interest in a book written by women. I am NOT a male chauvinist, but the approach to any subject, just doesn't make it for me. If you know of a female author that you think will make me change my mind, please reply. My mind is an open "BOOK".

waltruby.....Patricia Corwell - if you like a good mystery. And may I add - Them's fightin words. But I'm in a good mood, so I forgive you.

Suzy

Try Pearl Buck for a woman writer.

~ Linda

How are you liking Romeo and Julie?I finally made it to the top of the waiting list at the library and picked it up today.Going to start it now.

Marelin...Julie and Romeo - I liked it. I didn't love it, but liked it alot. It's full of wonderful humor. It's worth the read just for that. I don't want to tell you anything else. We can compare notes when you finish. I sent my copy off to Alf. I can't wait to hear what both of you think.

Suzy

Hey Suzy: I thought you were away visiting those grandkiks. I am starting it in about 15 minutes. I'll keep yhou posted. Your books are on the way. By the way, if you send books from the post office at a book rate, it is the cheapest way to go.

Hi finished JULIE and Romeo !!!finally I got the title right. <VBG>Well I liked it but I think my expectations must have been too high.All I knew about it was that it involved a couple and a family feud in a city near Boston.I lived in Mass.all my life until recently so I am drawn to stories with a Mass locale. I expected a story about young love.I really enjoyed the humorous incidents Could just picture them occuring.On a score 1=5 I would say 3 (IMHO)Definately a Beach Book.

Alf....I'm at my daughters now. Got here Thursday evening. I'm using her computer as we speak. Thanks for the tip on sending books. I didn't know that. Can they be boxed the same way? I'm having a wonderful time with my two little guys. Boy do I sleep at night. I barely get in two paragraphs before my lids get heavy. Another big day tomorrow and then I'm off for home.

Marelin.....I agree with you completely about Julie and Romeo. I really liked the idea of love between (how can I put this) the more mature. My expectations were high as well. Worth reading though. V

Suzy

I am half way thru "Romeo." I loved the first chapter with the "spit" and Pig story. It made me remember a dear friend, Italian, he was, always spit like that with animosity when someones name he disliked was mentioned. I just read thru the "refrigerator" scene. Nothing "frigid" there. I thought it was hilarious and can just picture myself in a pickle like that. Safe travel Suzy. Yes, the books can be packaged the same way.

Marelin: I'l send you my grade tomorrow.

Love Andrea

OK and this is great, while we're waiting for Andrea's grade, here are the categories that B&N booksellers rated this book on, we can compare again and see how accurate they are: (from 1-5, 5 being the best):

• Writing
• Plot Development
• Characterization
• Readibility and then
• Overall

Would you say this kept you up all night, was plane or beach book, was suspenseful or put you to sleep?

ginny

Julie and Romeo....

Writing - 4 Plot Development - 3 Characterization - 3 Readability - 4 Overall - 3.5

Fine beachbook

I think the humor in this book was at least 4.

Suzy

Ok gang. I can relate to this story. This entire story reminds me of a beloved friend, whom I've been with thru those "thick and thin" years. It really tickled my fancy It is a Beach book, light-hearted, funny, bubble gum sotries we call them.

• writing - a 4 (because it was her 1st novel)
• Plot - a 4 (knowing full well that daughter and son would reunite and R & J would get together.
• Characteriztion= a 4
• Readability=easy to read, light, etc.=4

An obvious 4 for a beach book. If we were comparing this to a different genre, then I would reevaluate. I liked it. Remember I do amuse easily.

Alf.....Wow - you are fast. If you would like to pass it on to your friend, please do. I'm in no hurry to get it back.

Arrived home safe and sound. The quiet is deafining. My cats were happy to see me. I finished heartbreaker by Julie Garwood. One of those serial killer mysteries. Some nice romance thrown in as well. I will start Steel's "The House on Hope Street" tonight.

Time to crash into a tub full of bubbles and a book.

Suzy

oookkkkkk, here's how the B&N Booksellers rated Julie and Romeo:

Writing: 4 *

Plot: 4*

Characterizatio: 4*

Readbility: 4*. Total: 4*....

Plane book, beach book. "Entertaining...funny....smile and laugh out loud...Recommended for fans of Jan Karon...."

So that's pretty close!

Suzy Q: What book are you dipping in those soap suds?

I'm still reding American Pastoral but have ordered a REAL beach book, A Certain Age and can't wait to get into it!

ginny

Ginny.....Well - the concensus on Julie and Romeo seems to be fairly accurate with B & N. They liked it a little more than I did. What I really appreciate is, finally a romance beween people in their sixties. And it's a hit besides. Maybe there is hope after all.

My current bubble bath book is Danielle Steel's "The House on Hope Street". It isn't a typical Steel story and I am enjoying the read. It's fast reading - definitely a beach book. What will we call our discussion come fall. I think Fireside books would be good. What do you think?

Suzy

OH let's do, because I just got Renato's Luck and if that's not a fireside book I don't know what one is, great idea!!!

Of course November is my favorite time to be at the beach, too! hahahaha

I plan to take Beach Music with me there.

There's nothing as satisfying as a stack of good, anticipated well reviewed books staring one in the face, unless it's a good book just read which did not disappoint.

Just finished American Pastoral, not a beach book but a good one nonetheless and starting The Human STain for the Book Club Online for September. Reading The Boxer Rebellion which is just super, history comes alive. I love it, the life of the mind, I love to read, and don't care WHAT I read.

ginny

A previous post mentioned thier all time favorite book. One of mine is Beachcombing For a Shipwrecked God by Joe Coomer?Has anyone read it?I read it maybe two years ago and it has stayed with me.I just loved it.I don't know too many who have read it but anyone that does read it loves it also.Great idea , Fireside Books for the cold weather.

Ginny - Is The Boxer Rebellion a recent book? It sounds interesting. You seem to be fascinated with it!

~ Linda

Marelin.....Beachcombing for Shipwrecked God - I have not heard of that one. What's it about?

Ginny.....I envy you the experience of reading Beach Music for the first time. I know I'm repeating myself but I LOVED THAT BOOK.

Suzy

Me, too, Marelin, what's it about?

Hairy, yes, I saw it at B&N, it was the last copy and so I snatched it up, it's not a very cheerful subject, but it's really frightening now, the Boxers are storming the legations in Peking. Sometimes history is more interesting than fiction, I think.

Suzy Q: I'm really looking forward to it! Meanwhile I got Holden Scott's The Carrier which looks like an exciting read. It had several mixed reviews from the B&N booksellers, so I'm anxious to get started with it. Has the "eye" designation for "kept me up at night reading."

Apparently Scott's regular fans did not think it was one of his best, and that's interesting too. It implies that we expect a certain something from our regular authors, I wonder what people look for in Scott?

I'm about to see what I find there.

Just started The Human Stain, so far it's quite good.

ginny

Grace is an spunky older lady who owns a houseboat in Portsmouth New Hampshire.On an extended voyage her husband has a heart attack and dies.To keep the boat she brings on two boarders.One,Chloe, is an adolescent girl,pregnant by her abusive boyfried,the other,Charlotte ,is an archeologist. Who after her husbands untimely death she escapes to Portsmouth from her possessive in-laws in Kenucky.The story is how the women not only cope with the tumult in thier personal lives but also living togeher being so different from each other.Joe Coomer tells this story with such understanding and sensitivity regarding the plight of these ladies I had to keep reminding myself that this was written by a man. I recently read were Jody Foster has bought the screen rights for this book.

marelin.....He, Coomer, probably got a lot of help from the women in his life. Sounds interesting though. I'll look for it.

Suzy

Been reading these posts for ages now and finally decided to jump in and ask - am I the only one who reads Anne Tyler? I'll be taking at least one of hers along when I go to the shore in Sept. Also taking Julie and Romeo and The Pull of the Moon by Elizabeth Berg - and plan to dust off my copy of Doctorow's World Fair and cram it in the suitcase. Probably won't have time to read them all but I like knowing they're there in case of rainy days. I love reading the posts - they've led me to some great books.

Hey there Niecie: Nope! You're not the only one who reads her. I just finished Romeo and Julie (thanks to SuzyQ here) a couple of weeks ago. I loved it..

Please do not hide, come on out and talk to us. We are a great bunch here that share our love of reading. It has been the highlight of my life over the past yr. Just jump right in there.

Me, too...just finished Romeo and Julie because of reading about it here...fun book!

š ...jane›

Hi and welcome, I read Anne Tyler.I only have to see her name on the cover and I will read it without a review or recomendation I just know it will be good.Her work has never disappointed me.I read Romeo and Julie. Fun read.In some earlier posts a some of us read it and gave our assesments.After you finish you can give yours (if you care too.)

I just finished reading Tara Road and I LOVED IT!!! This is the first of her books I've read and can hardly wait to get out and discover more by her. I don't know where I've been!!!

Marelin: I am really curious about "Beachcombing For A Shipwrecked God." It sounds fascinating so it will be among my next few "must reads!"

Just to join in on a very popular opinion--I too, loved BEACH MUSIC! It is one book that has stayed with me ever since I picked it up. Another that I can read over and over again. Just leaves such a familiar and nostalgic feeling.

Romeo and Julie was hilarious-- that scene in the freezer was priceless.

I'm not usually a mystery reader but I found the newest Agatha Raisin story in the book store this summer and read it over coffee. Found all 9 of her previous stories in cheapo paperback and so far I've read 4 of them. Great fun. Agatha is a middle age, successful owner of a London Add agency who sold the company, takes early retirement and settles in a thatched roof cottage in the Cotswells. The stories are filled with all the charm of the English countryside including parish teas, pub life and village fairs with characters reminiscent of Miss Marple-- the Dame Rutherford's Miss Marple.

Oh I'm a big fan of both Agatha Raisin and her male counterpart Hamish McBeth. The British prefer McBeth, they say it's more accurate. I did not care for the Vet book but other than that, she's a winner. I still think her very first one about the quiche was her best,and can't recall the name.

Nan42 , welcome to you!

I, too, have never read a Maeve Benchy but I did see an interiew with her recently and I do like what she said, she'll be next on my list.

Niecie, welcome from another (former) Jersey girl, have you read the new Tales of New Jersey? ( I think that's the right title) I had to run out and buy that one, but it's still in the stack, we have recommended so many good books here in our Books & Lit that they all stand waiting.

Don't you find that it's just like the commercial, "Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't?" Reading is that way, too. That's why even IF you have a whole bookstack of books waiting it's nice to choose one that fits your mood. I'm reading a mystery right now that I've had so long the pages are yellow, it's surprisingly good, tho: Downsized to Death by Joyce Christmas. It won't keep you up at night but it's interesting, interesting themes in it.

ginny

Nan42.....You are so right on about Beach Music. It is one of those stories that stays with you forever.

Suzy

I can't wait to read it, I'm taking it to Hilton Head with me this fall!

It's right now on top of the suitcase. I should say room full of old suitcases I no longer can lift. I need a yard sale.

ginny

Maeve Bincheys books are addictive Once you read one you are hooked.A couple have been made into movies and I thought they were well done.If you do read Beachcombing For a Shipwrecked God I would like your view. I really don't understand why it had the impact on me that it did. take care Marilyn

Agatha Raisin is one very independent,spunky lady.So much fun to read. The one I recently read has her leaving town in order to escape from the many problems which have been bothering her. The town she chooses to visit has more more problems and stranger characters than were in the town she was escaping (only temporarily)from.Is this the one you read?

Good morning,

This is my first post in this folder. I'm intrigued by the pictures at the top. Noticed "Where The Heart Is" by Billie Letts. Has anyone read it? What did you think? Have you read her other one -"The Honk and Holler Opening Soon"?

I have read all of Maeve Binchy's books (unless she's come out with a new one in the past month or so) and like them all. I saw somewhere (here, maybe?) that she had a newspaper column. Would love to read that.

Last time I checked, I was 14th on the reserve list for the new Ann Rivers Siddons book. I'm anxious to start it.

This is my kind of reading! I suspect I'll be back.

Callie

Hi and welcome,We have our choice choice of authors in common.Maeve Binchey and Anne Rivers Siddon are always on my must read list.I better get to the library and put my name on the list for Anne Rivers Siddon's.I didn't realise she had a new book . I read Where the Heart is and I loved the story.

Welcome, Callie!

We're so glad you found us, drag up a beach chair; have a lemonade!

I like Ann Rivers Siddons, too, I just bought Low Country in paperback the other day, did you all read it and how did you like it?

Clyde Edgerton is another good author (that Honk and Holler reminded me of him). Have any of you read him?

ginny

Well, this is a great discussion group. I just found it. Already I have picked up some fine book recommendations. Will there be a "Before the Fire" group for the winter? Now winter brings on different reading than the beach!

Kathy

Thank you for the nice welcome. The new Anne Rivers Siddons book is "Nora Nora" and I have just learned it is ready and waiting for me at the library. Hooray!

I'm curious about reactions to "Where The Heart Is" because at the time she wrote it, Billie Letts lived in the part of Oklahoma where I grew up. I was very distressed at the interview with her on Oprah because they chose to show the "seedy" part of Durant instead of the magnificent magnola trees and college campus. Of course, they wanted to emphasize the Walmart connection - but it surely did leave a poor impression of that lovely small town.

Has anyone read anything by Judith Wall? Most recent is "My Mother's Daughter". She's another Oklahoma writer. (Can you tell I like to plug the locals??? <BG>)

Callie

Welcome CallieK! WelcomeKathy!

This is very exciting. Two more added to our list of readers who have joined us. I am very inspired by each new member who joins us. Anne River Siddons is definetly one of my favorites. (Although I just lost The House Next Door mailing it to one of our readers. DRATS!!) Just jump right in and let us know what you like, what you dislike, we are all different with different tastes and that what makes it such a smorgasboard of fun here.

Callie.....I have just ordered Nora Nora from my book club. Can't wait to get it. I have read Judith Wall, but had a hard time getting into My Mothers Daughter. I'll pick it up and try again when winter sets in. I think it is better suited for fireside reading than beach reading. At least for me. Right now I am reading The Third Heiress by Brenda Joyce and it's perfect beach reading.

Okay, I, too, picked up _Beach Music_ at the lib. today. Just what I need - another book on the stack.

Kathy

I read Walking Across Egypt by Clyde Edgerton and just loved it. The book remains on my shelf. I will not part with it. It is a "keeper". Recently I read Killer Diller which is a follow-up to Walking. IMHO he really missed with that one. It roamed and rambled and didn't seem to have much structure or sense to it. Too bad.

Linda

Me, too, Linda. I had forgotten the sequel but Killer Diller was strange, wasn't it? I never know with a second book if that book is what the author intended, just the real author coming out at last, or is a downfall from the real author, but I agree, Walking...was it Across Egypt is a keeper. And I drove myself crazy trying to find the old hymn, too.

ginny

I'm relieved someone else felt the same way about Killer Diller. Sometimes I think it might just be me. Now I feel more assured I was "reading" it right!

Linda

(or we're both wrong, Linda!) hahaahahaha

ginny

Callie: I am reading "Where The Heart Is" at this time and so far it's very good. An easy read. Will be very interested in how it turns out. Should finish tonight or tomorrow.

To All: Have any of you ever read anything by Carl Hiassen? I just discovered him a couple of years ago and he is very funny!! I got started with "Tropical Storm" then "Lucky You" which is hysterical!! His latest is "Sick Puppy." Hope to read that soon. These are not conventional books, but are in most cases very entertaining. He writes mostly about South Florida (I'm not from there but have been down many times) and seems to hit it right on. He is also a columnist for the Miami Herald. His column is great but not always a good indication of his novels. Let me know how you feel...

Her books are terrific! She has a written a small book about going to the hospital. At first I thought it was going to be humorous, but it was a serious book done with humor! I would look ffor it in Non Fiction.

Yes I believe that is the last one of the series published-- something about fairies or fairy lights. That is the hardback that I read while having coffee at Borders and Agatha just hooked me in.

I just found the other series about the Scotish police officer and it is a Christmas story. Delightful but I like Agatha.

I like Maeve also. Her stories are so Catholic that hit all kinds of memory cords with me. Her Ireland still seems to practice the religion as we did when I was a girl. Haven't read Tara Road yet. I loved the Lilac Bus.

Hi again,I just reurned from the library .Had my name put on the list for Nora Nora.About Where the Heart Is I don't watch Oprah hence I wasn't influenced by her review and while reading it I didn't think about the location.I chose the book like I do most by reading the inside flap and if the synopsis appeals to me I read it.Very seldom am I disappointed.I also read My Mother's Daughter.Liked it also. Happy reading,Marilyn

Hi all I just returned from the library.Put my name on the list for Nora Nora.The librarian suggested a book The Pact by Jodi Picault.The librarian did warn me the subject matter dealt with teenage suicide.I hope it isn't too disturbing.The librarian had high praise for it as she does for all of Jodi Picault works.Has anyone heard of it or read it?Marilyn

Nan 42: I have read every novel by Carl Hiaasen,but have to admit that I feel his earlier works had more "bite" than the more recent ones.

I've always thought that Skin Tight was his best and most outrageous and has the best villain that one could just love to hate,the villains name is Chemo.

I hope you get to read Skin Tight and post your observations. I met Carl Hiaasen at 2 different book signings,and when he was asked about where he gets his inspirations and ideas,he said that all he has to do is to read the Miami Herald,especially about Florida State Legislators.

I also enjoyed Native Tongue,which was about endangered voles.

After reading Hiaasen,the next time you visit South Florida,you start to see it in a "different light"

I've only read Carl Hiassen's Sick Puppy. It was good and I will read others by him in time. I have enjoyed some of his pieces in the Miami Herald more than the book. What he does to the politicians down there just tickles my funny bone!

Here is a link to the Miami Herald. Just click on "opinions" and then "Carl Hiassen" and it will take you to an archive of his most recent columns. Miami Herald

Hi This is very good.The suicide part takes place in the first chapter.A girl is shot her boyfriend survives.He insists they had a suicide pact.The police are skeptical.This is about two families,next door neighbors since 1979 and the close relationship the two families shared. The boy and girl are thier children.The story goes back and forth from 1979 until 1997 when this tragedy traumatised thier lives. I have read about 100 pages A hate to put it down type of book.

Ed Zivitz - Happy to know that there are other Hiaasen fans out there! I had forgotten to mention "Skin Tight." I read that a couple of months ago and I AGREE COMPLETELY about Chemo. What a riot!! As a matter of fact I still laugh about him whenever he drifts through my mind!! Just discovered that I have Native Tongue on my bookshelf and it will be my next read. I picked it up at a used book store a while back and just put it aside.

Hairy - Thanks for the site about the Miami Herald and Carl Hiaasen. I just read a few of the archived opinions and can hardly wait to get back to it.

Alf -Just wanted to let you know that I picked up "The House Next Door" by Anne River Siddons and couldn't put it down. What a different track for her. Almost had trouble believing that it was the same author that had written all her "other" books!! I also lost mine to a sister that will lose it to someone else. Thanks for letting me know about it.

Marelin - Just wanted to let you know that I stumped my used book store owner - She has never heard of "Beachcombing For a Shipwrecked God" nor has she heard of Joe Coomer!! Do I have both of those names right? If so, then I will get started on my internet search!!

Hi Yes that is the author and the title.I just checked Barnes and Noble They have reviews and titles of this book and others he has written One non- fiction about he and his family and thier vintage wooden boat.Which I also read.Thank goodness he is in BN..I was beginning to think he was a figment of my imagination (LOL) Good luck Marilyn

I heard that Maeve Binchy has a book coming out next spring - Scarlet Feather, and that will be her last novel. After that she'll be writing short stories. At least we have one more novel to look forward to.

I saw somewhere a couple of posts about a mystery book with the main character suffering with Tourette's Syndrome. Now I can't find those posts. If anyone could give me the title and author of the book I would appreciate it. Thanks!!

I just bought a book by Pamela Jekel. I can never pass up buying one of her books. I've only read Natchez and Bayou by her but I was engrossed in both. She has a knack for research and putting together a story that just draws you in. The one I bought is about the Navaho in the Southwest.

Linda

Hi, this discussion has slowed down a little bit (even tho fall is my favorite time to hit the beach) but let's see if we can get it rolling again!

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First off today I am very pleased to welcome our Beach Babe Nan (hahahha: poor thing, she'll probably run screaming) who has agreed to watch this discussion for us, and to keep it rolling. WE sure do appreciate that, Nan42!!!!!!!

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Secondly, what is it about the dwindling days which make one long for a good, escapist read? Just to get swept up and carried off in a fun great book. I've got the newest Joanna Trollope, Marrying the Mistress and I've heard it's just perfect, as well as The Lost Legends of New Jersey.

I keep hearing an awful lot about The Banyan Tree by Christopher Nolan, do you all know of it? The cover says "on an overgrown, rundown farm in Ireland in the late 1980's widowed Minnie O'Brian remenbers the past."

That's pretty much it, but the book has rave reviews, wonder if any of you have read it and how you liked it!

ginny

Linda, I'm not sure this might help but I did a search for Tourette's in our Bookstore on the top of the page and found several books, including one called Skull Session, which does look good, does that ring a bell? Anyway here they are: Books with Tourette's Syndrome in them

Hope that helps at all,

ginny

Hehehe those of us in the deep south may still read on a beach but this discussion could use an autumn leaf or two and be renamed either vacation reading or snuggle time reading.

I thought we were going to rename it "Fireside" Reading. Whatever the name, it's a cozy comfortable place to be.

Suzy

I just finished "Nora Nora". MARELIN and SUZY Q, have you finished it, yet? I thought 'Nora' got away with a lot more in the story than she would have been able to in real life. I don't think any real Southern school system would have even let her in the door! What did you think?

I'm 3rd on the reserve list for "My Mother's Daughter." Has anyone read any of Judith Wall's other books? I liked "Handsome Women".

Hope this discussion keeps going.

Callie

Oh yes I like that "Fireside" reading!

Callie.....I finished Nora Nora. I didn't love it. I agree that it was purely FICTION. I too liked "Handsome Women". I am going to B & N this afternoon to poke around. My Mother's Daughter was offered through my book club, but I didn't order it. I don't know why. I'll have to think about that. Let me know how you like it after you've read it.

Barbara.....I live in Michiigan. At the moment it's still hot and humid, but that can change any second. I'll be ready to sit by the fireside whenever you are.

Suzy

hehehe that may not be till after Christmas for a week or two. We put the AC on during the holidays around here so that we can have that picture book fire.

Our view of the fall is not falling temps it is FOOTBALL! And many a wife becomes either a football widow or a hunting widow. There are more books read and aphgans crochet during autumn than any other time of the year. The first Norther is the excuse to make Chili and have that fire so that the whole town smells from ceder as everyone rushes home to the first snuggle and possibly only snuggle with fire of the year.

After corresponding with Ginny a couple of times I find myself in a position of trying to keep up to date with all of you and the wonderful (and sometimes not so wonderful) books we read. I really welcome the opportunity to learn about all of you and hope that I will be able to add a little to the discussion once in a while.

Ginny-Right off the bat I must confess I have never read anything by Joanne Trollope but the title "Marrying the Mistress" intrigues me so guess it will go on my "to read" list!! I have a feeling that that list is going to get verrrrry long!

Hairy-You also got me with Pamela Jekel, although, I do believe I have read her in the great distant past. Sounds like books I would love since they deal with the south. Not partial, just familiar!!

Since I am new at this I have no idea whether to move to "Fireside" or stay at the beach (it's very hot here!!) but wherever we wind up I know that this is a great group!!

Hi I haven't made it to the top of the list at the library for Nora Nora.I am on a Jodi Picoult kick I so enjoyed her Plain Truth and The Pact .Yesterday I took out Harvesting the Heart This is one of her earlier books.I just like the way she writes.I just finished a mystery An author I have never read:Kathy Hogan Trocheck.She writes Callhan Garrity mysteries.This one is titled Irish Eyes It takes place in Atlanta.Callahan Garrity is an ex police officer turned private eye and runs a house cleaning buiness.This story concerns the shooting of her former partner and best friend ,Bucky,on St Patrick's Day and involves police corruption.It was a breezy read good for either the beach or the fire side(smile)

Hello Marelin and Nan42 42 hey, Nan? Age, birth date? Oh do tell. We love seeing you here and honestly discussing which books you like, whether or not you've ever heard of an outhor of whatever. This is the forum whee I learn a great deal about new authors and what people enjoy.

Hi Are you our leader now?My librarian suggested Joanne Trollope to me She loves her work And after reading her I have come to enjoy her books.Her writing is similar to Maeve Binchey and Rosamund Pilchner. Is Marrying the Mistress a new book?I agree the title is intriguing.

hahahahah. NO Marelin, I am not the leader , I am the follower. I've never heard of Trollope. It sounds like the word my mother used to call questionable young ladies.

Oops Am I mixing up the names?I wondered if Nan is our leader now and I want to return your hello .I too heard questionable young ladies refered to as Trollope But I am sure this author is very respectable(lol)I believe she is British.

LINDA - The book you were looking for earlier (Tourette syndrome detective) see the New Fiction discussion here: Motherless Brooklyn

Oh thank God, our Charlie is back!!!!

Good afternoon, all,

Earlier this afternoon I had a deelicious bowl of ice cream named "Lite" Death by Chocolate - a contradiction in terms if I ever heard one! <G>

However, it inspired me to suggest a name for this folder: How about "Literature - Lite" or "Reading Light" (could be a logo, too) or some variation, indicating we aren't into deep philosophical tomes of inspirational instruction? Umm - are we??? <G>

I had a busy weekend with The Grands and am trying to get through the Sat./Sun. newspapers while STILL waiting for "My Mother's Daughter".

Luv, Callie

Callie, now you've done it!! I bet I could make one of those logos. As soon as I complete my sr.net rounds I'll have to go and create!!

I like that, Callie, Literature Lite or Reading Lite, but where would we put the Fireside Reading part? Literature Lite: Fireside Reading??

Literature Lite: Fireside Chat?

Then we can just change the Fireside to Beach Books and go on our merry ways.

What do you all think?

ginny

or Fireside Chats on Reading Lites.....{hmmm...not so good...} Fireside Chat on Reading Lite?

Hmmm..have to ponder this one...

š ...jane›

How about - Lite reading by the Fireside - OR we could still do "Fireside Books" and give the explanation that it's mostly lite reading. in the header. Keep in mind that lite" reading to some, may be "heavy" reading to others. Whatever is decided, I'll be here.

Suzy

Hehehe how about " Books that Lite my Fire"

Ohhhhhhh- Barbara - I LOVE THAT! At the very least, it would bring people here, don't you think?

Barbara, I like it, too!!

Callie

Barbara - I love that title and I believe that it would definitely pickup some new members!!! Curiosity......

Marelin - No, I am not the "leader." Just hoping to have some fun and interesting reading with all of you!!

Alf - 42 is NOT my age!! Can't even say I wish it were since being a senior is so much fun. At 42 I was still concerned about what everyone else thought but now it's more about "real" things.

CallieK - Your ice cream reminds me - Have you seen the cooking show or cookbook called "Death By Chocolate?" Like you said, a real contradiction in terms but ooooh so good.

Who is reading "My Mother's Daughter?" I don't believe that I have heard about that one. Sounds interesting!

I also can't remember who told me about "Where the Heart Is" but I really want to thank you---One of the best I've read in a while. I also loaned it to my 87 year old Mother and she couldn't put it down. She read it in just two days, which is a fast one for her.

Nan42,

I mentioned "Where The Heart Is", but don't know if that's where you got the info. Glad your Mom enjoyed it. I met Billie Letts at a book signing for her next book "Honk and Holler Opening Soon" - also a good 'read'. The character "Caney" is named for a tiny town in s.e. Oklahoma.

I'll be picking up "My Mother's Daughter" at the library tomorrow. It's by Judith Wall - ALSO an Oklahoma writer!! Her others are also good; I particularly liked "Handsome Women" and can tell a story about one of the characters - who was based on a local person.

Don't mean to be name-dropping but I am proud of the Oklahoma writers who are doing well with fiction writing and do get to meet them at book signings and reviews.

Haven't seen the show or book "Death by Chocolate", but it sounds like something I should check on......or NOT! <VBG>

CallieK - Thanks again for recommending "Where The Heart Is." I told you that my mother read it and now my daughter is reading it and loves it as much as we did!! Can hardly wait for "Honk and Holler Opening Soon." I don't blame you for being partial to your Oklahoma writers. I am always proud of good people who live near me....In my area that seems to be mostly athletes and not too many writers. However, Winston Groom who wrote "Forest Gump" lives not too far from here. Verrry proud of him!

I went book shopping yesterday and bought another Maeve Binchy, "Light a Penny Candle." Has anyone read it and if so, how was it? It sounds like a great story so I'm anxious to get started.

A friend gave me a book by Alice Hoffman called "Here on Earth." It was an Oprah choice a while back. It too sounds good so guess I'll be cozying down for a while. Now for a good rainy day!!!

Much too hot here for a fire yet!! Still have too much heat and humidity. We were "teased" by about 24 hours of cool weather that hopefully will be coming soon. Cool and dry...It must be a dream!!

Maeve Binchy's Light a Penny Candle is a delightful read. Binchy's work has depth. She is one of my favorite writers.

Hello to all:

I was just introduced to Beach Books when I wrote to Charlie about a possible discussion on Maeve Binchy's "Tara Road". He suggested I enter this group, so here I am! Some of you who were in Jan Karon's book discussion may remember I was new there this summer.

I have loved all of Ms Binchy's books - I can't remember all the details of "Light a Penny Candle" as it's been quite a while. "Tara Road" is out in paperback, and several friends and I have read it this summer - no, not at the beach! Here in beautiful Western North Carolina. It has no connection with Scarlett's Tara, either. Mostly it takes place in Ireland and a shorter portion in New England.

Looking forward to reading more in this group.

Marilyn

Hello, mjbaker, from Western North Carolina, here I am from the Upstate of South Carolina!! We're practically neighbors, so to speak! I do remember you, and welcome back!!!

This is a great group, you will love it, and the Romance group might consider a Benchy, too!

You are in good hands here!

ginny

Hi Mjbaker and welcome to Beach Books!!

"Tara Road" was my first Maeve Binchy book and I loved it!! One of those books that you hate to "leave." I can hardly wait to get into "Light a Penny Candle." The story line sounds great.

You have no idea how much I would love to revisit your part of North Carolina. I've was there several years ago and it is just beautiful!!

Hope you will stay with us here and let us know what you are reading and what you recommend to all of us.

Thanks for the welcome. Right now I am reading "Windchill Summer" by Norris Church Mailer. It's set in Arkansas in 1969 - lots of weird characters and a very different story line. That's all I better say.

Maybe since I live in W.N.C. (a transplant of 15 years, intending to stay) I like books set in Appalachia. So I can recommend Sharyn McCrumb, Lee Smith, Robert Morgan, Gail Godwin, JAN KARON (YES!!), Wilma Dykeman (mostly older books, yet still relevant), just a few. For some "deeper" reading, I like most of Reynolds Price's which are usually set in Eastern N.C. I also like non-fiction by southern writers - essay type, humorous, etc.

I have always loved reading, be it fiction, biography, history, religious, even cereal boxes! And with the way television is going, my husband and I watch it less and less.

What do you all think about Ebooks? I haven't tried any, but I still like the "feel" of a real book. (Books-a-Million had a one day sale today, so I came home with 5: Poisonwood Bible, and Old Dogs and Children are 2 of them.)

Wow, this is probably more than anyone wants to hear!

Marilyn

No, no, no, Marilyn- we want to hear everything. Really. Hey Sharyn McCrumb! Not much of a mystery reader but I have a soft spot in my heart for her. That was the very first book discussion I participated in an on-line here at SN and I thought it was pretty neat and thought I'd stick around for awhile. That was The Ballad of Frankie Silver, and it was a pretty darn good book, I thought - and the company was even better. What about The Same River Twice, by Chris Offut? He's an Appalachian writer - though I was a bit disappointed in that book. I have an e-book and have enjoyed reading a few things on it - though it won't replace paper books (and wasn't meant to!)


Charlie

Old Dogs and Children... sounds like my life story... Must look for that one.

Hey, Pat, where is Altona, Illinois? We moved here from Central Illinois (spent most of my adult life in Decatur). Husband took early retirement l5 years ago - 3 months after he retired we were living here, and we don't regret it at all. Just go back almost every year for his family reunion.

Charlie, I haven't read Chris Offutt. I occasionally participate in a Usenet Discussion Group, alt. appalachian, and a couple of the writers in there have criticized Offutt severely. As I recall, he did some lectures at one of the universities or somewhere, and many felt he was kind of a phoney (sp).

Sharyn McCrumb has written what is called the ballad series, based on old mountain ballads and folk tales. I just read a collection of her short stories - interesting.

I finished "Windchill Summer", and I am not sure if I would recommend it. It was well-written, but kind of gruesome at times, as it has a lot of Vietnam war flashbacks in it.

Marilyn

I am reading Winer Solstice by Rosamunde Pilcher. A great read so far!!! Pilcher is best known for her The Shell Seekers

Marilyn: Altona is a wide place in the road (if you blink, you'll miss it) on US 34 between Galesburg and Kewanee...We're half in between Moline and Peoria, as the crow flies. I grew up in Danville, IL

gaj I bought Winter Solstice by Rosamunde Pilcher but haven't gotten into it yet...from the little I've schemed this seems a little more deep than the typical "Beach Book" what do you think? Even Coming Home had some real issues involving rape.

I loved all her early stories but they were typical "Beach Books." Not to say I did not like these more recent books but they are about issues that we as a society are still only broaching. I guess in its day the concept of an independent elderly mother was an issue although now it seems so taken for granted and so the Shell Seekers may have been a stretch then.

I just started Mutant Message Down Under, by Marlo Morgan. Has anyone ever read this book? It's a fictionalized account of an American woman who is summoned by a remote tribe of nomadic Aboriginals, to accompany them on a 4 month long trip into the Outback. I am only on the second chapter and find it quite thought-provoking. Apparently, this is one of those stories that people question the veracity of .

Barbara St. Aubrey - This is another book with real issues. Different perspectives are shown as the story moves along. We move from character to character. It is a great read!

Hello, anybody! Mutant Message Down Under? Yes? No? Oh bother.

Hello Nan - lovely site and I just turned up our gas stove in the fireplace in the den where my computer is! Cooler here in Ohio. Also a friend at lunch today lent me two more Helene Hanff's books to read. I think these two will complete all of her books for me. They are easy on the eyes and easy on the spirit as you always get a smile or downright laughter at her escapades.

THE FIRE IS LIT. Hurray! Just in time too. I just turned on my heat. The ONLY thing I like about winter. Snuggeling under the covers with a good book.

Suzy

Finally finished "My Mother's Daughter". Still trying to decide what I think about it!!! The storytelling got a little mixed here and there - took me a bit of backtracking to keep up.

Next on my list: Anne George's "Murder Carries A Torch", then "Romeo and Julie". Whew! You guys will be so far ahead of me I'll never catch up!! LOL

LOVE the new logo!! I 'specially like the idea of a campfire. Anyone for S'mores?? Had a day or two this week for patio reading, but now we're back to a/c weather - although the slant of the sun is definitely fallish.

O.K. - back to the books.

TTYL, Callie

Sure looking nice in here!

Kathy

Just in case anyone has missed it, Beach Books has moved to Books That Lite My Fire!! Hope everyone will drop on in and let us know how you like the new site.

I'm still in awe as to how all this works but there was a lot of behind the scenes work on this one. Thanks to all.

CallieK - I still haven't bought "My Mother's Daughter" so will be very anxious to hear how you liked it. Should I save my money or what? You are the one who is going to be further ahead than anybody!! Sounds like you are really taking advantage of this great fall weather.

Where I live is also between AC and open doors but soooo very pleasant. This morning is one of the nicest of the year. Now if those pesky storms will just stay away!!

I just started a new book yesterday-One of Oprah's from a while back called "Map of the World." Has anyone read it and if so, what did you think? So far it's very good and I love some of her phrasing!! Makes me laugh out loud on occasion.

Take care everyone and let us know how you like the new scenery!!

Merry Monday, everyone:

NAN42: Oh, I don't like to be the one to say "do" or "don't" about a book!!! I am just terrible about "editing" writing style (as if I knew anything about it! NOT! lol), but I think you will like the story in "My Mother's Daughter". So Go For It.

I went to an event this weekend called "Celebration of Books". There were more than 50 authors there discussing their work and other topics, plus "meeting and greeting" us regular folks. I got to talk with Billie Letts, Earl Hamner, Jr. and Jim Lehrer, among others. It was an incredible weekend - 'specially since Oklahoma can be sort of ...umm...."culturally challenged" compared with the cosmopolitan centers of the country. I just soaked it all up like a sponge and came home with a bag full of books -all signed, of course!

It's too warm for the fireplace and we're still under a Burn Ban because of dry conditions, so the recliner and a glass of iced tea will have to sub for a campfire as a reading spot. ....and that's where I'm headed to see if I can finish "Murder Carries A Torch" before I have to float a loan to pay the overdue fine! <G>

TTYL, Callie

Oh Callie! I am envious. I would love to do that. A book fest! I would feel as if I had died and gone to heaven. I just r/c my book from the "Great Books Foundation". This is their 50th anniversary series and some of these authors I've never even heard of. Flora Steel??? Corso? This volume is on Love and Marriage and the foundation fosters thousands of readers around the world. I joined it last year, when we first moved to SW Fla and loved it from the minute I sat down. They have a powerful approach to literature and this selection should stimulate a lively discussion with our group of 12. We meet monthly at the local library.

Hi, everybody. Tell you what. I am generally too busy these days publishing three electronic magazines which contain the writing of authors I most certainly do read and edit, or writing novels myself to read as much of others' work as I once did. I am currently on the 25th (I think!) chapter of a sequel to a book I wrote last year before I wrote a couple others. This novel and its sequel are very humorous, so if you hear me laughing as I click away at the keyboard, you'll know what I'm doing!

Mal

Callie: Your newsletter BookBytes came back... saying your email address was "illegal".

PAT: I went back to my post and sent a "test" message to myself which came through o.k. Do you mind trying again?

Callie

Callie, Maybe you could click on my name and send me an email... Then I could reply.

GAJ - I am really looking forward to reading Winter Solstice. I love Rosamond Pilcher and haven't read anything by her in quite a while. The Shell Seekers was another book that lingers... I wonder if I will ever catch up with all these books.

CALLIEK - I really envy you being able to attend your "Celebration of Books!" What an experience to see so many good writers in one place and be able to speak with them! Were most of them Oklahoma writers? Isn't Jim Lehrer the news commentator that presided over the debates last night? Is he from Oklahoma? You are the one that introduced me to Billie Letts (Where the Heart Is) so with her alone I would have been thrilled. What a great sense of humor and of common life!!

I'm planning to get "My Mother's Daughter" and will try to read it soon. You have mentioned it a couple of times so now my curiosity is peaked! I love the title!

Our weather is much like yours Callie, still hot. Much too warm for a fire yet but from what I understand that is rapidly approaching us. Hooray!!

PAT WESTERDALE: Email is on the way.

NAN: Yes, it was the same Jim Lehrer who moderated the debate. He told the group that he had thought he would have to cancel coming because of preparation for the debate, but decided it would be a relaxing break, which it was. His wife (also a writer) was here, too - and their joint interview, part of the Saturday night program, was delightful. They are both originally from Texas.

Many of the writers were Oklahoma-based, but not all. Billie Letts is, as you probably know. (Judith Wall (My Mother's Dau)lives in Oklahoma, but was not at the conference.) There were 57 writers there - fiction, poetry, non-fiction, playwrights, screenwriters - all genres. The neatest thing is that they are all so friendly, come to the informal functions and stay and visit with everyone.

This is the sixth year for the "Celebration". It was my first time to go, but I will plan to go again!!

It's still too hot/windy to do anything in the yard, so I have finished "Murder Carries A Torch" and am ready to start "Romeo and Julie". Cool front due in tomorrow - I'd better read fast!! <G>

I am curious where Mal works with epublishing.

Linda

Linda, I edit and publish three electronic literary magazines.

Sonata magazine for the arts

m.e.stubbs poetry journal

The WREX Pages

The WREX Pages are the publication of WREX Writers Exchange, a group of writers right here on SeniorNet in the Writing, Language and Word Play folder and contain only the writing of the members. Sonata and the m.e.stubbs poetry journal are open to writers of all ages all over the world. The WREX Pages are published on SeniorNet web page space, thanks to Marcie. Sonata and the m.e.stubbs poetry journal are published on my web domain, www.sonatapub.com. I hope you'll take a look at these magazines. They have won awards and are really quite beautiful with original prose and poetry, original artwork and fine art illustrations and music.

Mal

Hi Everyone! I've been off line for a couple of days trying to get this new computer up and running. Now if I can get myself up and running I'll be fine.

Malryn...I just checked out your sonata page and it is just wonderful. I plan to go back there and read and read and read!! The graphics and the music are fabulous. The music is something pretty new to me with this computer so it takes a little getting used to. With my old one it was like pulling nails to get the music to work. I can't tell you how much I envy your talent! Thanks for sharing.

Gosh, thank you, Nan. I'm so happy you visited Sonata. The Holiday Issue of Sonata will go on the web the third week of this month. In it are articles and stories about Thanksgiving, Chanukah, Christmas and Kwanzaa. I had a brainstorm and decided to put Thanksgiving, Chanukah, Christmas and Kwanzaa recipes on web pages which will appear at the end of each section of stories. After all, these are feast days, aren't they? I love doing the Holiday Issue, as you'll probably be able to see when you go to it after it's up on the web. I'll try to remember to post in here when it is.

Thanks again!
Mal

I guess everyone is outside enjoying this beautiful weather most of us are having right now. I know I am and it makes me remember why I love this time of year so much!!

If there is anyone out there let us hear from you and what you are reading!

Hope to talk to you soon!

I have a new book I began reading this morning while I waited for my car to have a tune up. I am a Star Trek fan. The last time I went to the library I found a book entitled "The Lives of Dax." One of the characters in Deep Space Nine is a Trill named Jadzia Dax. A Trill is a being composed of a host and a symbiont. If the host dies then the symbiont has to be put into another host or it too will die. By the time Deep Space Nine ended Dax had been in 9 hosts. So this book is an anthology of all those different creatures. Some of them were female and some were male. Actually the last Dax was Ezri Dax.

So that's what is Lighting My Fire at the moment. I am going to be sad when there is no more Star Trek on TV so I guess I will have to get my "fix" at the book store.

Hello, Firelite Readers,

I have FINALLY finished "Julie and Romeo" - liked it very much. Today I checked out two books: "Into the Wilderness" by Sara Donati(which was recommended by a friend) and "Lunch With Elizabeth David" by Roger Williams (no, not the pianist <G>, although I will be hearing him in concert next weekend). I know nothing about Lunch... just picked it off the New Books shelf. According to the jacket blurb, Williams is "a journalist and travel writer who lives in England. This is his first novel." It was published in 1999. Has anyone read it?

I am here reading and enjoying the posts .The weather has been gorgeous here in the north east.I just finished Nora Nora I liked it as I do all Anne Rivers Siddons work.The ending did leave me hopeing for a sequel.Marilyn

Winter Solstice by Rosamunde Pilcher This book at first glance may seem to be a trite romance but it has a lot to say about relationships. Love in the prime of youth and love at the end of a lifetime. Its warm and has intricate relationships woven through the plot. I loved it. It is a book that gives you warm fuzzies. It is set first in the English Countryside and then in a remote Scottish Town. Good recreational reading.

Carolyn

I just had a peep. So much there will have to go back to it. Lovely graphics. Read Robbys article and one poem so far. The music works even on my 1996 PC. A very good publication.

Carolyn

Thank you for visiting Sonata, Kiwi Lady. I'm glad you enjoyed this fine electronic literary magazine.

Mal

Diana Gabaldon's Outlander and have started the second in that series, Dragonfly in Amber. The first one is fascinating. I had heard about this series several years ago, but didn't get a copy until I stopped recently at a neighboring town's library. They sell donated paperbacks for 25 cents. I was able to get 3 of Gabaldon's in this series. Now I'm looking for the 4th. I didn't think I'd enjoy time travel, but it's mostly Scottish history, once the time travel element is used to get into the plot. Sue

Diana Gabaldon - isn't she great! I have Drums of Autumn waiting with my TO READ books. Her Outlandish Companion is a good resource book. Before I start Drums... I will probably read about the first two in the Companionbook.

I have chosen a book called" Mother Mother" its true accounts of 70 women and is Mother daughter and granddaughter and interaction between the generations Think it will be very good reading.

Then for my cheapie special they have selected a book called Lake News which is fairly light reading romance plus more. Price $4.95 cant moan at that in hardback!

I am awaiting my books now with anticipation and if any light my fire will report back in full.

Carolyn

Picked up A Friend of the Earth by T.C. Boyle yesterday. Don't know what to expect but many people have recommended his books and I've yet to read any. Looking forward to it. I also have East is East and The Tortilla Curtain on my TBR shelf. (to be read)

Linda

Spring Creek - Funny you should mention her series of books! To be honest I had not heard of her until just a couple of weeks ago when I was browsing in a local book store and a young woman was frantically looking for something. Being my usual "busy body" self I asked if I could help her in her search and that's when I learned more than I ever thought I wanted to know about Diane Gabaldon! Her enthusiasm caused me to buy all four! They are in my growing list of "to reads" but my husband has already read "Outlander" and "Dragonfly in Amber." He started "Voyager" last night and has loved every minute of all of them. Strange how one becomes involved in things out of our usual realm, isn't it?

Jane - I love Rosamund Pilcher and believe you will too. The first of her books that I read was the Shell Seekers and have been a fan ever since. The way she writes makes me feel that I'm "there." Let me know how you like her.

I'm having difficulty putting the Gabaldon books down to sleep or do any work around the house. They are truly absorbing.

I'm a Rosamund Pilcher fan, too. I think the first one I read was The Shell Seekers. Pilcher is another woman with a way with words. Her plots are intriguing and her characters believable. Sue

Could someone tell me about this author and a little about her books? I am reading R Pilchers latest at the moment........Winter Solstice

I bought Winter Solstice in audio book tapes the other day. I listen to books while I walk.

Hi Tigerliley! The blurb on the back of the first in the series, Outlander starts off: "Claire Randall is Leading a double life. She has a husband in one century, and a lover in another...".

The book starts with Claire and her husband, Frank, visiting Scotland after both served in WWII to check on Frank's genealogy. Claire steps between the stones in a circle similar to Stonehenge and finds herself in Scotland in the time of Bonnie Prince Charlie. I don't want to give away the plot, but it is historically accurate with lots of adventure and intrigue, as well as romance.

There are 4 books in this time travel adventure series. I'm now reading the second, Dragonfly in Amber. The information given about Gabaldon show that she has a master's degree in marine biology and Ph.D. in ecology. She was a university professor before writing fiction full time.

I first heard of her books 2 years ago while on an Elderhostel. Since then I've heard a number of fans praise the books. Now that I'm reading them, I see why they are popular. Sue

Sue, thanks for the information on the books.......

I have read all of the Gabaldon books and am anxiously awaiting the next one - due out within the next year, I think.

I was on a tour of the British Isles shortly after "Outlander" came out. When our guide learned that quite a few had read and enjoyed it, he arranged an unscheduled visit to Culloden battlefield when we were in Inverness. It was very special to stand there and remember the scenes in the book, as well as to travel through the area where so much of the story is set. The book was on sale in the Culloden gift shop, which made me feel it must be very accurate, historically. BTW, the Scottish edition is titled "Crossstitch". I don't know why.

Does anyone else think Jamie might be based on "Rob Roy" from Scottish history and that he might have looked like Liam Neeson (sp?) in that movie? - nice thought, anyway <BG>!

CallieK I hadn't thought of Jamie as a fictional "Rob Roy" or that Jamie might have looked like Liam Neeson until you suggested it. Now he will always look like Neeson. lol (I used your spelling so if it is wrong we both will have to write it it 50 times on the blackboard)<G>

Callie, all of the Harry Potter books have different titles over there, as well. I have noticed this for years and years about books originally published in Great Britain, they always seem to have different titles here. If you like, for instance, a particular mystery writer and you tour England, you can get excited to find titles by that author you think you have never read. When you get into them, you find out it is exactly the same book you read over here, but with a different title! I wish they would not do that, but there must be some legal reason why they do.

GinnyAnn: Hope I didn't ruin your mental picture of Jamie by suggesting Liam whatshisname <G>! I didn't think about it until I saw the movie "Rob Roy" after I had read "Outlander". If someone corrects our spelling, I'll bring the chalk!!! (^_^)

MaryPage: I bought my copy of Outlander/Crossstitch in an Edenborough bookstore because I thought the title difference was interesting. Didn't know it was done with other books. That's interesting, too.

Speaking of British books, has anyone but me ever read books by an English author called Miss Read? They are charming stories of life in two or three fictional Cotswold villages. I think she was/is a teacher in that area. Her picture is shown on the book jacket, but I have never seen her real name. I used to get one from the library when I was really stressed because she writes about all sorts of village characters in a gently humorous way and I found the stories relaxing. Central Oklahoma has gone from drought to flood!! Good days to curl up with a book - and that's where I'm headed.

Have a good weekend, everyone.

I think Emily Read IS her real name, but I may be mistaken. The books are, of course, fiction. The smallest, prettiest read you could possibly enjoy. Dear, funny characters in an English village. Not mysteries. Not romances. Just darling, darling books.

MARYPAGE: Oh, I'm so glad someone else has enjoyed Miss Read! Which character is your favorite? I like the woman who cleans the schoolroom (can't think of her name).

Callie, it has been SO long since I have read them. I still own a few that I could not bear to give away, but they are packed away as I am in the process of moving. I loved that dear old teacher, not Miss Read, but Miss Fairchild or something like that. She dies, sweetly and quietly of old age, in one of the books. Beautiful thoughts and sentiments.

Absolutely love her books! I have read all of them and I am in my fifties! Another writer more modern writes about animals and the English woods and countryside is Joyce Stranger. Her fiction books are wonderful if you love animals both domesticated and wild creatures . She is a well known dog trainer and writes non fiction as well. She has answered several of my emails on her web site and unfortunately she does not really care for my breed (bichon frise) as her friend has one which is very spoilt and has tantrums! Yikes.

Carolyn

Oh, good - another Miss Read fan.

Which character is your favorite, Carolyn?

I remembered the name of the cleaning lady (is she called a "char"?). It's Mrs. Dibble - crusty old character, but I always thought she was fond of Miss Read and the children.

Callie

Oh I think the vicar and his wife. Wasn't she called Dimity or some such namd. Just thought they were the very essence of goodness and kindness but also so believable. Also the clergyman and his wife who were the brother and sister in law of on of the tenants of a granny flat in one of the widows houses. I think the clergymans wife was Eileen and she had three children all very unruly but so lovable. Loved their poorness but obvious happiness.Not too many young uns like them today! Too much materialism and not enough idealism I think! You may not have read all of the books so some of the characters you will not have met yet.

Carolyn

I am enjoying several of Julie Garwood's books.

This one is called Country Bouquet and is the musing of Phyllis Nicholson. It is philisophical, written in the first person and would be more a diary than a novel.

She uses the seasons and it does show the upper class country life and thoughts of women of the "just post war years"

Some of her thoughts today seem so outlandish that they make one giggle. Specially her condescending remarks about how difficult it was to get servants and really she was quite indignant about it! I really had a good laugh but she was deadly serious!

I enjoyed it because it gave insight into post war Britain and the country gentlefolk and the estates.

The book again "Country Bouquet" by Phyllis Nicholson.

Carolyn

kiwi lady, I think you're thinking of the Jan Karon Mitford series with the vicar and his wife, the Dimity series is a mystery. I liked the first Aunt Dimity very much, do the sequels bear up to it?

I'm reading, as I said in the New Fiction, the new Candace Bushnell (of Sex and the City fame) Four Blondes. Now here is a book you would have to call trash, or junk but I really am enjoying it.

It's not worth the tree being cut down tho, as I said in the New Fiction but it's worth recycled paperback stuff.

It's a jaded look at Sex and the City, I don't know what else you could call it, but it's good, anyway.

Sometimes you feel like reading stuff like that, mind candy you might say, but it's good.

Cinderella (in costume for the Halloween Party here today)

No Miss Read has a whole series the one with the young family is the Christmas one and definately there is Charles the Vicar and Dimity featured in most of the books. I have read about 5 of them.

Carolyn

NO joke!~ I have a bunch of Miss Reades (sp) and have never read them, well LOOK what I learned here today!!!

Does that word "Dimity" mean something? That's odd it should be in two books. I have a feeling it applies to sewing for some reason. The Dimity mystery is very good actually.

Well heckers, thank you for that one, I'll just go dig one out. Is one called Thrush Green or something?

Carolyn, have you looked in the main heading of the Books & Literature lately? Click on the Books & literature link on the top of the page and LOOKEE!

Dracula

Ginny, I have read every single Miss Read book, I think there must be 15 or more, and there definitely is a Dimity. The Miss Read books really should be read in order, though it is not necessary. People do pop up in following books having grown older. The Market Square books and the Village Green books and the Thrush Green are different places and mostly different people. Oh, they are SUCH lovely books. Sweet books. Delicately beautiful, like fine lace. Refreshing like a good cup of tea and a nice nap. Exquisitely written by a true master.

Well somebody tell me which is the first best one to start with, I may not have it? Is the Thrush Green one a good one to begin with? Beind a different place and all?

Yeah, I was wrong, I admit it! Must be that 1.5 million year old virus they just reconstructed, I bet I have it in the brain, that was a smart move, remember that discussion, Mary Page? Did you SEE what they did?

That could have been what killed the dinosaurs, I bet Stephen King is writing the sequel right now.

And what of that awful resurgence of Ebola in Uganda, isn't that pitiful? I do so hope they can help those poor people.

YES! I am a convert, tell me which book to read FIRST!

Frankenstein

When in doubt, look in the front for the original copyright date and read them in order of date written.

I did see the virus, Ginny. And have cut out all of the articles about the Ebola, feeling I am sort of ahead of the curve. Sure hope I do not have to go back and think: ah, that is where it began! You would not BELIEVE how many virus books I have on hand to read now.

Please let us know how you like Miss Read.

These are the Miss Read books I have read. (Oh, dear - would that sentence make a good English test question?? LOL) I don't know publication dates. Thrush Green, Battles at Thrush Green, Gossip From Thrush Green, Farther Afield, No Holly For Miss Quinn, The Market Square, The White Robin, Tylers Row, Village Centenary, and Country Girl. I wish I had a list of which ones are set in each village. That would make it easier to keep up.

The Jan Karon series about Mitford are also gently humorous. When is the next one coming out?

Oops - spooks at the door. Now where did I hide those chocolate candy bars?? Hope all have had a Happy Halloween.

Witchy-Poo

Sorry for being so tardy in getting back to our discussion! I'm involved in an advanced tax class and it is driving me crazy!! The IRS does these things simply to keep us guessing...

Callie, I think it was you who mentioned "The Honk and Holler Opening Soon." I want to tell you that I finally found it and am reading it now and as with her previous book, I LOVE it!! I think anyone who wants just a good easy read with real people will also enjoy!

I started a book by Fannie Flagg called "Daisy Fay and the Miracle Man" but it hasn't held much interest for me. Too many descriptions and not enough "story." My whole family has grown up around the northern Gulf Coast so a lot of things are very familiar and I enjoy that part but it really does lack substance so far. Has anyone out there read it? I believe it was published earlier under the title, "Coming Attractions."

Yoo Hoo, where is everybody?
I'm trying to finish "Dawn On A Distant Shore" by Sara Donati. It's the 2nd in a series - kinda like the Diana Gabaldon 'Outlander" series, except the Donati story begins in America and is heading for Scotland.
Have also just read "Irish Eyes" by Andrew Greeley. Anyone else like his books?
Hope all had a good Thanksgiving. Hope to see you here soon.
Callie

I have read just about every fiction book the Andrew Greeley has written. I say just about because there may be a Blackie Mystery that slipped through the cracks. Greeley is a gret story teller. I love his new series. I think it started with Younger Than Spring Time but that may have been the second one. The last is A Christmas Wedding and takes place in the 50's.

GINNYANN: I haven't heard about either one of those Greeley books. I'll be on my way to the metro library web site as soon as I get these Wilderness people to that Distant Shore!! Can't afford any more overdue fines! LOL
Callie

I sure can relate to overdue fines. lol But, you sure can't beat libraries for finding fiction you may only read once.

"I Didn't Hear the Dragon Roar" is one of the best books I have read.

Also an easy entertainment is the newest book "Truman"

Both non-fiction but oh so good.

Audark: Is that about Truman Capote? Or is it Harry Truman?

Hope all of you had a great Thanksgiving! We took our Alabama grandsons to Ohio with us to visit our son and his family and had a great, but cold, time!

I love Andrew Greely but haven't read anything by him in quite some time. My husband reads just about all of his books and enjoys them. I'm always surprised about some of the things he writes about!

CallieK - I just finished "Honk and Holler Opening Soon" and loved it. Billie Letts just seems to have a knack for writing about people you might have known! Do you know if she has anything else coming out anytime soon?

Audark - I would love to learn more about the books you mentioned. "I Didn't Hear the Dragon Roar" and "Truman." Who wrote them?

I'm going to start looking at our local (small) library to see if I can find some of the books I want to read. I buy almost everything I read and that gets pretty expensive not to mention that I'm running out of bookshelves!!

NAN: I heard Billie Letts speak at a Book/Writing Seminar last summer. Her bio from that says she is "currently at work on a third novel.

Hi I just wanted to comment on the fact that I get all my books at the library. I can go online as soon as I hear about a new book and reserve it and it really makes it more fun and a lot less expensive. they will even order the newest books if we request them so that keeps me up to date one the new novels. the newest one by Tami Hoag (dust to dust) is very good also her (ashes to ashes), I also finished Sandra Browns(the switch) that is really good and the kind you can't wait to finish to find out what is happening. Shirley T.

I read Sandra Brown's "The Switch". Perfect fireside book. Fast reading, a definite page turner.

SAT and SUZY Q:I have never read a book by Sandra Brown. What type of book does she write -- mystery, romance, general fiction, what? I am always interested in adding authors to my list of ones to look for.

Hi CALLIE K.

Hi Marjorie! Sandra Brown is one of my favorites. She writes modern romances and mystery novels. Pretty racy ones at that! I have lots of her books, but I've never read The Switch. Sue

Hi, MARJORIE:
How do you define "Romance Books" for your discussion?
I don't read Danielle Steele, etc. - but do like a good love story. When I worked part-time at the library, I was told how to determine which was a "general" romance paperback and which was a "Gothic". The cover of the Gothic would always have a lovely girl fleeing from a large dwelling (castle, house,etc.). But the "real" clue was that there would always be a light in the window. (This was all tongue-in-cheek, of course)
Callie

as far as how i got here in the book section - well -- i went first to senior net round tables, signed on. then looked for the proper book section. looking for this one. found the main books that lite my fire w/all of gen info. i went back to e-mail from ella and got information again and came back and went down to read everyones notes. then when i tried to write this note i couldn't. had to sign on again. makes no sense. i think that part may be my e-net provider. now you asked about problems just getting to book club. i feel i must be doing something wrong because i am going thru so many circles to get to the line. oh, darn i don't know if i am explaining this right (i know i am talking too much trying to) but i'm sure there must be, perhaps just a .com something or other. it's after 2am i'll check back later.

Oh Kelli. You poor thing, I hate it when people have trouble signing on and finding the site they want. Our gurus will be here shortly to help you but in the meantime just bounce around the different sites and post . You are NOT too wordy we need to know so that we can iron out the wrinkles here. Welcome!!

Marjorie.....Sanda Brown is so much fun to read. She started out, years ago, writing romance novels, usually about women who were in their forties. That's one of the reasons she appealed to me. It was hard to find a book where the main character wasn't in her twenties. In the more recent past she has been incorporating mystery with her romance. I like those books the best. I usually read more serious mystery writers, like Patterson, Sanford and Cornwell. But sometimes I just want to cozy up and read without thinking too much about what I'm reading. Sandra Brown is perfect. Oh BTW, The Switch is about twins. It has a pretty neat twist that I didn't see coming and I usually do.

Suzy

Kelli, you actually are doing splendidly and have persevered where others might not, which says a LOT for you.

The way the software is set up is like this: a Guest can read messages, but not post. In order to post, a guest has to login. You can always tell your own particular status by looking at the very top of the page, it will tell you if you have Guest Status or what you are logged in as?

There are very few sites on the internet (I know of none) which allow people who have not registered to post at all. In that way the site can act if, God forbid, some person who is mentally ill, or some kid who means to disrupt tries to jump in and ruin things for everyone?

We don't have that problem here, at least we didn't used to, but it's a safeguard?

So if you ever can read the messages but you find there is NO Post My Message button, that's BECAUSE you need to login. It's the same for me too and for all of us. I can't post until I login.

I'm very impressed with you, you found THIS site, you have posted so I would say that you are on the ball and maybe you can help the next new person who does not understand.

I will say Well Done, Kelli!!!

ginny

SUE: Thanks for that information on Sandra Brown. I need to put her name on my list.

CALLLIE: We don't have a definition for "romance" in our discussion. I suppose it would be easier if we did. If you look in the Archives, you will find we have read quiite a variety of authors. What I do is gather suggestions from people who post/email about books/authors they like. Then periodically I check to see if the books are available at Barnes & Noble in paperback and if our county library system has multiple copies. If both things are true, I get a list together and anyone can vote for the next selection(s). Last time we selected 3 books so that the votes doesn't have to take place every couple of weeks.

KELLI: Welcome. I am very glad you got here. I seem to remember a couple of years ago when I first came to SeniorNet that I went back and forth a few times until I got my routine. We have all been watching for you because ELLA told us you were coming.

SUZY Q: Thanks for your comments about Sandra Brown. It sounds to me like someone I would enjoy very much.

Marjorie

besides Sandra Brown, another of my favorites is anything by Catherine Coulter. I haven't seen any mention of her books. some of her series are excellent. I also like the mystery books by Marcia Muller. Its fun seeing all the welcomes I have been getting. I think I'm starting to get the hang of some of this. If I could only remember which folder I have typed my comments in.

Oh, good, Kelli got here. I'll email her, but one thing perhaps we should tell people is that once they leave the site (Seniornet site) and then try to come back, they must logon again unless they have minimized the screen, which is another story.

Hooray for Kelli and sat. They've made it here. Do not worry if you've posted before sat, we probably have forgotten too. Welcome

Welcome, KELLI and SAT.
SAT: I have the same problem remembering where I've posted. Scroll down to Search, type in sat and click Search the entire.. A screen will come up with all your posts. You can click on the message # to see what you said and where you said it.<G>
Thank you, MARJORIE. I'll wander over to Archives ASAP.


My (self-inflicted) problem is deciding to check out a link or a banner before I get to the end of the messages. Then I forget to use "Back", click "Check Subscriptions" - and away I go to somewhere else! Oh my, you might not believe some of the "creative" ways I use to get back where I intended to be. <G>


Most of the books I buy are non-fiction. I get fiction from the library - and can also go on-line to check availability and reserve copies. This is a good way to keep up with new books by authors I enjoy.


I'd like to see a new one by Susan Howatch sometime soon. She wrote a series of 6 novels centered around modern-day Church of England. The first one is Glittering Images, which takes place in 1937.


And I wish Anne Rivers Siddons would come out with a new one, too.


Happy reading, everyone.
Callie

I have prepared a list of books that we have discussed in Romance. I have included the one we will start on Dec. 1. You can find all but the current discussions in the Archives (see my previous post for a link). This list is sorted by Author

Title	Author
My Darlng Caroline	Adele Ashworth
Rose Haven	Catherine Coulter
Lake News	Barbara Delinsky
The Invitation	Jude Deveraux
The Secret	Julie Garwood
Surrender	Heather Graham
Cousin Kate	Georgette Heyer
Dark Paradise	Tami Hoag
Eye of the Beholder	Jayne Ann Krentz
Crystal Flame	Jayne Ann Krentz
Dakota Born	Debbie Macomber
Remember When	Judith McNaught
Whitney, My Love	Judith McNaught
Vanish With the Rose	Barbara Michaels
Kiss An Angel	Susan Elizabeth Phillips
September	Rosamunde Pilcher
Homecoming	Belva Plain
The Scarlet Thread	Francine Rivers
Jewels of the Sun	Nora Roberts
Up Island (second time)	Anne Rivers Siddons
Then Came Heaven	Layrle Spencer
Silent Honor	Danielle Steel
Ladder of Years	Anne Tyler
Virgins of Paradise	Barbara Wood

Marjorie

Anne Rivers Siddon.....Another favorite of mine.

Ginny.....Did you ever get to read "Beach Music" on your vacation?

Marjorie, that's a very impressive list! We ought to put that up somewhere, no joke!

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Suzy Q , I started it, I had saved it for the beach and it seemed perfect and of course I love Conroy, and was really into it, but unfortunately the scenes around the deathbed were a bit too real for me to read right now, so I have actually put it on the Exchange, our Book Exchange? It's a very good book, I'll come back to it later, I loved the plot and the Rome stuff, just loved it.

ginny

GINNY: There are other lists that can be made too. What I did was get the names from the Archives and put them together. I think there is a list somewhere already of all the books. The table in "Books Previously Read" was last updated 3/25/2000.

Ginny.....I had forgotten how heavy those scenes were. There have been many books I have set aside to read when I was in a different place inside myself. We all need different kinds of comfortable reading at different times, don't you think?

Suzy

Isn't Nora, Nora AR Siddons newest one? I have it, but have not started it yet.

Alf.....Hi! Nora Nora is her latest one. I started it, but have put it down. I can't get into it for some reason. I'll try again in the Spring. Her books usually grab me immediately. Not so this time. Let me know how you like it. I am currently reading Nora Roberts, The Stanislaski Brothers". Just started it last night. Will give my review when I'm further along. I certainly hope whoever is reading "The House Next Door", out there in postal land is enjoying it.

Suzy

Oh Suzy Q. It is so good to see you here. Dirty dog, that sneak reader, huh? I still have a package that I owe you. Did you read The Blind Assassin?

SUZY Q: When I was reading everything I could find of Nora Roberts', I read the Stanislawski stories one at a time. I enjoyed them very much. I hope you do too.

Suzy Q: I totally agree, sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't, and it's odd how sometimes you are ready for something you put aside earlier.

I wonder what it is we're looking for in books?

ginny

Alf.....Someday maybe you will tell me the story. You could do it in condensed form.

Marjorie.....I didn't realize it was a series. This one is about the two brothers together. I'll look for the others. I read alot of Nora Roberts. How did I miss these?

Ginny.....I think because we all go through so many different emotions on any given week/month, we need to read what feeds our souls at that moment. I know that when I'm in a down period, I look for something light and fun.

SUZY Q: The books I have read about the Stanislawski's are: Convincing Alex, Falling for Rachel (about Alex's sister Rachel), Luring a Lady, and Waiting for Nick. I have been getting a lot of books from eBay.com (the auction) and decided one day to write down the titles I have read so I don't repeat. I don't remember who Luring a Lady is about. There was also a book with two stories about the Stanislawskis. That book is Stanislawski Sisters and I show that is about Natasha and Rachel. Hope that helps some.

Who is familiar with Philip Wylie's "Essay On Morals"?

Oh, I loved Philip Wylie! I think he has been dead a long time now, but I read that book and MOM (or was it MOMS) and the one about the 2 worlds, and many more. Didn't he talk about Jung a lot in Essay On Morals? It has been ages, decades really, since I read his stuff.

Marjorie......The Stanislaski Bros. I am reading now has two stories. Luring a Lady and Convincing Alex. I see now that it is two seperate stories. I'll look for the sisters when I'm finished with these. I have ordered four new books from my book club, all mysteries. I plan to do a lot of Christmas reading once the smoke clears before the holidays, Right now I just read on the run and of course it's always the last thing I do at night before my eyes close.

is a great writer. I love to read her books. She is a great author for escape reading. Also for when I am looking for a fun fast read.

Philip Wylie coined the word "momism" I think in his book A Generation of Vipers which I recently ordered and plan to read again after so many years.

Linda

I love Nora Roberts. My favorites are The Reef and Homeport. I read Jewels of the Sun, and it left me with a clear picture of Ireland althought I have never been there.

I just finished reading Pay It Forward by Catherine Ryan Hyde. At first, I thought the plot of Pay It forward would be too shallow, but the story is not shallow and leaves you with the wish to change who you are and make the world a better place.

One part of the book is so sad and unexpected too. I must admit that I had to grab a box of kleenex. Oh well, there is nothing like a good cry.

I think Catherine Hyde has a new book out, but I have not read it. I am just finishing The Third Heiress by Brenda Joyce. Wow!!! What a book!!! It is a real page turner. Brenda Joyce has a web site, but I have not visited it yet. It is www.brendajoyce.com.

I love to read and am glad to meet other friends who love to read too.

HATS

HATS....The Third Heiress. Wasn't that a great book? I picked it up a few months ago when I was between reading material, thinking it would probably be something fast with little substance. Was I surprised. I loved it. I like Brenda Joyce's books but this one I think is one of her best. I have always loved going back in time. It is the best of both worlds.

Suzy

It is so great to see everyone here and to see that we have some new friends, at least since a few days ago when I was here!!

Sat, Kelli and Namron - You are new to me and I hope I am not too late to wish you a very warm welcome...We are so glad to have you here. You have already "jumped right in" so you know the water's fine!!

My son just gave me a new book by John Edward titled "One Last Time." So I've been off on this tangent for the past few days. I don't know if any of you are into learning about psychics or mediums but he is very interesting. I've watched his show several times and if nothing more, it is good entertainment.

I also bought the new "Oprah" recommendation..."House of Sand and Fog" by Andre Dubus III. Just getting started but seems to be very good. I've read so many of her recommendations and most have been right "up my alley."

Nan42, I agree with you that Oprah makes good choices. I have just bought House of Sand and Fog and am waitting for it to come in the mail. Did you read She's Come Undone? Wally Lamb is a great writer.

I have not read Drowning Ruth. The book club discussion was interesting.

HATS

I didn't know that John Edwards wrote a book. I like to watch his show and they did a special on him on 60 minutes, very interesting. Shirley T.

shoot! Couldn't find House of Sand and Fog at my local KMart. Bummer, will have to buy it after the "holly-daze." Just got my Prodigal Summer, by B. Kingslover today. Yeah, I must get busy and finish "Blind Assassin."

Hi I haven't posted in awhile .But I have been following the posts.I just read Winter Soltice by Rosamund Pilcher.Anyone read it ?I love her work and this didn't disappoint. A nice story .Perfect reading for December.I would love to know if anyone is familar with the part of the world she writes about and if in this day and age there there are villages with the people she writes about.Take care,

Marelin, I have it in audio tapes, but have not had the pleasure of listening yet. Too busy with the season!

Alf, please tell me what do you think of Blind Assassin. I am very interested in reading that book, but I am afraid it would be too difflcult. I have never read any of Atwood's books.

HATS

After waiting a month to get the Blind Assassin from the library I was real anxious to get into it but I never went past the first chapter. very strange and not my kind of reading. I was not able to get interested in it at all. I'm waiting to hear what some of you think of it. Shirley t.

I started it and got into it and found it quite different. After getting about a third of the way into it, I put it down. I may pick it up again in the summer.

Well, I like it. I especially liked the first half of the book. It seems to have slowed down some for me. Yet-- I admit to being a bit frenzied. It takes a lot of concentration and at this point I am sorely lacking that.

Has anyone read books by Susan Elizabeth Phillips. I have read all of her books and find them quite enjoyable. They are romantic filled with comedy and glamour. She keeps your interest throuth the whole book. You never know what is going to happen to her characters next. I have laughed and cried, but every book is thoroughly enjoyable. Some of her titles are Heaven Texas, It had to be you, Kiss an Angel, First Lady just to name a few.

gailie92833; On my way to bed... and thought I would check here.. Welcome... welcome.. so good to see new people posting here in Books.

I'll look for Susan Elizabeth Phillips the next time I visit the Library.

To see a list of all our discussions look at this link. http://www.seniornet.org/cgi-bin/WebX?14@@.ee6eef3

And hope to see you in some of the other discussions.

Haven't seen anyone in here for the past couple of days so guess everyone is getting ready for the Holidays! We are having some nice weather here and since we have to shop anyway, that makes it easier. How about where you are? Sounds like some of you might be snowed in. Makes for a pretty Christmas doesn't it?

Hope to hear from some of you soon. Any especially good books right now?

Hi Up here in Southern New Hampshire we got our first snow fall this past Thursday.It was so beautiful (as all first snows are)Last night and today we have rain and fog and nothing left but a mess. I am finished shopping .Did some wrapping today.No matter what is going on I always make time to read. I read Winter Solice,Barbara Delinsky's The Vineyard and now I am reading an Oprah book Drowning Ruth.It took me awhile to get into it ,but now I am enjoyong it. Best Christmas wishes to all.

I've read a couple of his and as I recall did not hate them (means I liked them but they did not register on the seismometer (issn't that with which they measure earthquakes?

camw

(e) Robert B. Iadeluca wrote:

I was trying to think of the last time I met a woman with a bodice.

I am trying to think of any time I met one who didn't

camw

Oh Cam really? You werent impressed with North and South by Jakes?

Has anyone else read the book "Not a Penny More, Not a Penny Less" by Johathan Archer? Most of his novels/books are purchased by the pound, but this was a slim little novel that I totally enjoyed. I also liked his other, fatter, books.

camw

Yes, I have read that one and loved the irony of the whole story.

CamW, a bodice is the part of the GARMENT that covers the part of the body you cannot remember seeing a woman without.

CAMW: I've read "...Penny More,...Penny Less", and all the other books by this author but I think his name is Jeffrey Archer. Wish he would come out with a new one.
I like most books set in the UK.
Callie

Jef. Archer has a book of short stories out that I picked up for my husband today at the library. His Kane and Able book was teriffic.

Didn't women wear bodices befor bras? Somehow saying he ripped her bar off doesn't sound the same. lol

I used to work part-time at the local library. One of my duties was to shelve paperback romances, a/k/a "bodice rippers". I was told (tongue in cheek) that the way to distinguish between a "generic" romance and a Victorian romance was that the Victorian cover would always have a buxom lass fleeing from a castle/mansion/etc. But the real clue was: there would always be a light in the window!!


Don't know what that has to do with anything being discussed here, but..........I thought of it, so...here it is! LOL

gaj.....Kane and Able was one of my all time favorite books. So glad you reminded me. I think it's time to read it again. I don't think Archer ever quite made it up to that standard again.

Suzy

Callie, next time I go to McKay's Used Books, or a store like it, I shall have to go down the Romance section, which I never visit, and look at all the covers there! Love it!

As the Crow Flies. Wasn't that one by Archer? Seems that may have been comparable to Kane and Abel which I also loved dearly.

Linda

As the Crow Flies was good, but I think Kane and Able was better. I have read most of his work and like him as an author.

I wonder if the first book by an author is always our favorites. I remember the fun of Sue Grafton's mysteries, and stll read them, but think the first were more lively and fresh. However, when I read some author's earlier efforts, I realise I like their more mature writing. An example of seeing growth is Nora Robert's work. What do you think?

GINNY ANN: Many of the authors I have read lately are much better in their later books. Debbie Macomber, Nora Roberts, Kimberly Cates, and Barbara Delinsky to name a few. At least they seem better to me. I don't always keep track of which are the earliest published. There are other authors who have written some books I like and some I don't. I think of Jayne Ann Krentz, Catherine Coulter, Jude Devereaux, and Amanda Quick. I like everything I have read by Judith McNaught (4 or 5 books). I don't especially like Fern Michaels. I am sure lots of people will disagree with me about some or all of these choices.

I was reading posts in one of the book areas (don't remember which) and some one was talking about the subject book. I ordered a copy and I am half way through it. I am really enjoying it so far.

The author had Charlotte walking around near the water thinking about finding a place to live. I wanted to shout out look for a boat to live on. And that's what she did do. Only she just rentyed a room from a wonman who had a large boat tied up next to a restaraunt. I would have bought my own boat and rented a slip for it. I love boats.

Anyway, anyone else reading this?

camw

I have been enjoying Bone by Bone by Lora Roberts. It is fun! Thanks to everyone who said she was a 'good' read.

Well I finished it last night. It was one of those books that you hate to see end. I am not sure there is enough to be told for a sequel. If one comes out, I'll put my order in.

Recommend it highly: Beachcombing for a Shipwrecked God.

camw

Well there you are cam, I just noted in another site that you should jump into one of our book discussions and voila, here you are on my next click.

I have been subscribed to many of the book discussions, but don't necessarily post that much. I will sart a long one with over a hundred posts and if I try to post early, I lose my place. So I was hesitant to do much posting. Now I am caught up with most discussions, I am less hesitant and you may see camw a lot more.

camw

Great camw I will be looking for you!

I, too, hope you'll post more, camw. I enjoy reading your posts here.

š ...jane›

I just finished reading the book Pay It Forward by Catherine Ryan Hyde. It is a neat book. Very different. Lots of characters and they are not all intoduced at the beginning of the book. The book is a small one.

I guess it was made into a movie or the book was written from the movie or something. On the cover is Kevin Spacey, Helen Hunt, and Haley Joel Osment. I just noticed the movie stars when I started writing this post. I don't think the movie would be as good.

The movie had excellent reviews.

MARY PAGE: I am glad to hear that. I wonder if it is in video. I have to look for a couple today and will see if it is available.

Pay It Forward.....I saw the movie and it was wonderful. By all means rent it if you get a chance.

Suzy

I just recently started reading again (love "Can't put them down" books). Always loved to read, and was once an avid reader, but soon there was just too many other things that I "loved to do"

I just found Seniornet several weeks ago(am sorta new to the computer) but have mostly been busy with the Computer Helps Discussions. Am addicted to the computer. But.......dropped by your Book Discussion on my way to the Library to see what everyone is reading and when I see one that several people really enjoyed I put it down along with the author.

Our Library has a Web Site that I can access and see if they have the book available, so I can look them up before I leave home. Isn't that neat?

So, thanks to all of you for your help. Seniornet folks are just the best.

Lou

Hi, Lou! I think you and I "talked" about Snow White over in the Computer discussion. I'm delighted to see you here and I hope you'll join in any of the discussions here...and join in the reading discussions on specific books, too. They're a lot of fun...and a chance to express your point of view and learn how others look at a particular incident/character/etc.

š ...jane›

Nice to see a familiar face. I have gathered names of books and authors from all your postings, you would not believe my list. So, if you miss me on the Computer pages, you will know what I am doing. So many I just can't wait to read.

Barnes and Noble would hate me because I get most of my books from the Library. Plus, have bought many paper backs from Library Sales and have a sister that "swaps" with me.

So, a very important tip for your readers: If your Library has a Web Site you can access it at home to see what books are available, more convenient than using their in house computers.

Right now I am reading Evan Hunter, Elmore Leonard(don't much like), Stuart Woods. but can't wait to get started on this list I picked up here today. Lou

Lou...I, too, get almost every book I read from the Library. I'm a retired Librarian, and I believe in patronizing my local place. They're excellent about getting me anything I ask for, and with the costs of books these days, it's the only way I can participate here in book discussions or read the things I wish to read.

I hope you've looked at the Book Exchange here in Books...it's a place to "swap" books...for the cost of the postage book rate. It's an excellent deal! Here's a link you can click on to go and see all that's offered:

Book Exchange

š ...jane›

In another discussion IMAN recommended the book Night Gardening by E.L. Swann. I am in the middle of it and it is unusual. It leaves me feeling very good. The book is about two people in their early 60s and how they begin a relationship through by caring for a garden.

Welcome louweav We are sdelighted to have you here and reading with us. You'll become more addicted than you were before. Welcome aboard!

Marjorie....."Night Gardening" What a lovely title. Sounds absolutely wonderful. I will lookfor it. Is it current?

Suzy

Our libraries in Miami-Dade County do have a computer system. However it is not compatible with webtv. That is one on my disappointments of the moment. I wish I knew what I could do about it.

SUZY Q: I just checked my copy of Night Gardening and the copywrite date is 1999.

I was lurking and saw your post about Beachcombing For A Shipwrecked God.I read it a awhile ago and can't praise it enough.I am always recommending it and anyone who reads it has neve been disappointed. I read where Jody Foster bought the screen rights to it. Will be interesting who gets the parts .I try to think of who could play the parts but no one comes to mind. Can you think of anyone ?? Take care,

Thanks Marjorie.....I will go to B & N and order. I have just finished the MOST wonderful lovely book. It's called WISH YOU WELL, writtn by David Baldacci. A departure from his usual stuff. He wrote "Absolute Power" and "Saving Faith". This book is about a brother and sister when they were children, living in the 1940's. It was written with such love. I wept through many parts. It pulls at your heart, but leaves you with a feeling of such joy.

Taken from the book jacket -

WISH YOU WELL is a breathtakingly beautiful achievement from an author who has the power to make us feel, to make us care, and to make us believe in the great and little miracles that can change lives -- or change them.

I loved this book.

Suzy

I was thinking about who to play what. I can see Jodie Foster playing the lead. As for the chubby pregnant girl, about anyone, but think about Lynn Redgrave back when she played Georgie Girl. There are a couple of men who would be good. However I can't really think of who to play the boat owner. I can sort of see her, but no one specifically comes to mind.

Wish I were more of a movie person. I forget people as soon as the credits come up. I do remember Jodie Foster playing a couypel of excellent roles. Remember her as the mother in Little Man Tate? She was perfect.

Wish I could think of some names.

Well, lets let our movie buffs have a go at it.

camw

Has anyone else read any of Dana Stabenow's novels especially the Kate Sugak series? (Probably didn't spell that right!)

I truly enjoyed them. Have not seen one in a while and will have to check Amazon. Most of Stabenow's novels are set in Alaska, and the series I mentioned the lead character, Kate, is a Natrive Alaskan. In addition to good story lines and interesting characters, I learned a little about life in Sewards Ice Box.

camw

JANE - ALF

Hi, just found my way back here, hither and yonder I go, through the maze, stopping where the interest of the moment falls....ha ha just fooling. Jane and Alf both know I spend most of my time over in "Computers".

Taking away names of 2 books to pick up in local Library.."Wish You Well", and "Beachcoming by a Shipwrecked God".

Jane, thanks for the "Book Exchange" link, am on my way there next.

Lou

Mentioning Dana Stabenow - she & the Alaska Sisters in Crime have organized the Left Coast Crime 2001 Conference to take place this week-end. 100 mystery authors are showing up for it as Dana convinced them that they needed to be in Alaska in February! Some of the authors are: Michael Connelly, Anne Perry, J.A. Jance, Ridley Pearson, Diana Gabaldon, Lindsey Davis, Sinclair Browning. The public is invited to attend all of the panel discussions. It looks like a super venue for a mystery reader (which I am not).

Another neat thing about this conference is that funding was sought from the native corporations to have 50 authors go out to the Bush (villages) and small towns to speak in schools, libraries, work with writing groups, etc. The latter 2 authors above are coming to my community to spend a few days.

I thought you might be interested in hearing about this event.

Kathy

Dana is highly respected within the state. Sue Henry is another mystery writer from Alaska (I think).

Yippee, Louise! You made it here. There are so many great sites here. Check us out in Renatos Luck . click here. We are fortunate enough to have Jeff Shapiro, our author join us during the read. Come on over.

WOW, Kathy, how exciting, I was just looking at a card from you again yesterday, which I appreciated last year very much, that's sooo exciting!

It does look like a super venue for the Mystery fan, I believe I could really enjoy that, but it's too far away from me. But NEXT year the Books is going to San Francisco and you must trek down!!!!!!

I like the going out into the community, that's very fine.

So nice to see you again and WELCOME Louise, so glad to see you here, too!

ginny

THANK YOU GINNY AND ALF.

"Books and Literature" is large area to cover.

VERYYYYY Interesting. I loved Jeff Shapiro page. Am going over to check out ordinaryelders.com. Have you been there yet?

Lou

OK I just went, I'm not old enough! hahahaa (BOY it feels good to be able to say that!)

ginny

Too bad, Ginny, you have no idea what you are missing... ha ha... Maybe I'm too old... Oh Oh.

Hi Ginny - when is the Books gathering in SF?

Kathy

We're not sure yet, Kathy, sometime in 2002, we're trying to get the one this November running, (COME ON DOWN!) but it will probably tie in with just such a literary festival that you mention, we need to start being on the lookout for same in that area, too.

Do you get much word there about SF festivals?

Many of us are on the East Coast, and don't hear much about them but that's what the internet is for, right? hahahahaa

ginny

No, Ginny, I don't hear anything about west coast book festivals, only flower shows in Seattle. Perhaps you could contact the book editor of the SF Chronicle & explain your desires & maybe that person would be kind enough to keep you posted of what is coming up.

I don't think I can make the Nov. gathering as I hope to be on another volunteer junket. But right now I am rather overwhelmed in that I am planning 3 trips to take place place within the next 5 months. But I keep right on reading. Thank goodness for that as my book at night seems to bring balance to my life.

Kathy

Almost finished this book. I just love it. Such a talented writer. This book is a must read. I could even see shades of Hemingway in the Style. My prediction is that in 100 years this book could be on the list of Great American Classics.

If you have never read John Grisham, read this book! It is very different from all of his other books in my opinion. To me its the best!

Carolyn

I just finished reading this book that was published in 1993. I really enjoyed it although I didn't expect to from the description on the back. There was a lot going on and the characters were very well drawn. The plot was complicated and the resolution was not obvious.

This book is sitting on my bookcase calling to me! My granddaughter gave it to me for my birthday but I haven't had time to read it yet. And, whoever mentioned "Wish You Well" by David Balducci, thank you , thank you! No matter who I asked about that book, no one knew wha t I was talking about. They all thought I meant John Grisham's book.

MaryM,

If you are going to comment, sign on with your own name and password. You can use any name and password that you like. It doesn't have to be your own name! Do it!

Ann.....I think I mentioned "Wish You Well". Wasn't it wonderful? I could have stayed in that book forever.

Suzy

Found this quote and just wanted to share it "Books support us in our solitude and keep us from being a burden to ourselves" (Jeremy Collier). BTW, I'm on my way to the library to see if I can find Wish You Well. Niecie

NIECIE: That is a nice quote. Thanks for sharing it.

Hi all, are there any fans of Jan Karons books about Father Kavanaugh and the town of Mitford?I have read them all.

I took from the library yesterday, which I presumed to be her latest in the series,:A Common Life The Wedding Story.

As I was reading I started to become totally confused.

In the last book A New Song ,when Tim and Cynthia went out of town weren't they already married??Was this an older book?No the date on the inside says 2001.

It must bethat the other books never told about thier actual wedding ceremony and this story relates the events from Tim's proposal ,the towns reaction and thier wedding . Any way it is a lovely read as are all Jan Karon's Mitford stories.

Jane,I do recall a discussion on A New Song.

I finished this book in one day.It was a pleasant read.

Now I have gone the other end of the spectre.I have started Jeffrey Deavers Speaking in Tongues.

I haven't read any of his in a while but the inside jacket sounded intriguing. Take care,

marelin

I'm right in the middle of Jeffrey Deavers' book, "Speaking in Tongues" and I find it's really intriguing. Wasn't it exasperating when the villain psychiatrist, posing as an FBI agent on the telephone, was able to hoodwink those people so easily? I can't wait to see what happens next!

Lorrie

I love Jeffrey Deaver, but the critics panned Speaking in Tongues, so I have avoided it.

Please, I value YOUR opinions, so tell me again when you have finished the book, what you thought of it. I usually "listen" to his books, and will buy the tapes if you liked it.

Mary He is so conniving.I won't reveal any more but this isn't his only act of deceit.

Lorrie, Did the article give specifics why the critics panned the book? I read it in a little over a day. I liked it because it wasn't as gruesom as most of his stories and also I knew what he was talking about.(lol) When I have read other books of his they were hard to follow along .At least for me.

Marelin

I think it was Mary Page who mentioned about how the critics panned "Speaking in Tongues," but I still like the book. I also read his "The Bone something-or-other" but that one lost me when the protagonist started getting into all the forensic stuff. This book is much, much simpler. (For simple-minded people, you might add. Well, don't!)

Lorrie

As I recall, every critic said the book was just not up to par for him. Not hung together well, not plausible enough, not as well written. Disappointing to read, since I have loved his books.

I have been reading a wonderful book by Ann Tyler(of Accidental Tourist fame) and it is about the sixth of her books I have read. This one is just hysterically funny to me with my weird sense of humor. A 30 year old man who is a soft hearted darling with a dark past is working at Rent-A-Back a company that rents out helpers to the elderly or disabled for any little old job need doing. Such a premise. Such a book. A really irritating family he is from too. But the best parts are the authors comical and true and loving descriptions of "the clients". I hope some one else has read this it is so good. Fp

Faith, that sounds like my kind of book. What is the name of it?

Thanks Lou

Faith,I am a huge Anne Tyler fan.I just returned from the library with her latest,Back When We Were Grownups.Is that the title of the one you are reading?

I can't wait to start it.It has been too long since she has had a new book

I am sorry I neglegted the title A Patchwork Planet published in 1999 but just now I guess out in a mass paperback publishing as it is the first time I saw it on the Supermarket bookshelf. I have finished it now and hope others will enjoy this book. I havent read anything of hers for a year or two because I wasnt reading much and now that my eye is "fixed"(cataract off implant in) I am able to enjoy a nice evening of reading with a little music on again. I always did relax that way even when raising my family. Hubby used to get very annoyed because I read so much but it was my time after children were in bed and all housechores finished.My choice was reading to relax his was a cowboy movie or a game show then bed. Phooy on you, I would say and stay up and read for awhile when house was all mine heheheh. After taking care of everybody else all day and working in the office for 6 or more hours too I deserved it. And I developed an eclectic taste and read many different styles of authors.

I will look for Back When We Were Grownups now. Faith

Faith,A Patch Work Planet was a wonderful read. I am enjoying Back When We Were Grownups. It has the delightful characters Anne Tyler is famous for. Have you read any thing by Jodi Picoult? She is another favorite of mine I just got her latest --Salem Falls. Take care,

I will make a note of the author Pucoult, and see what I find. Right now I am just finishing Patchwork Planet and House of Mirth all at the same time, and completing the Book Discussion of Stephen Ambrose's Nothing like It In The World. We had a wonderful discussion and for nonfiction it was very lively and fun. I have also got a pretty big project going with one of my sisters re: Herbs but she has the books and I am using mental telepathy to get her to finish em and bring them back to me as I want to plant some of them and see how they do here. She gets good luck up in Placerville but that is 2000 elev. and not quite as much of a "desert" as the valley floor is here at 26 ft above sealevel in Sacramento.(most of it). The books I bought a long time ago from Rondale about Herbs and there use and also one regarding wild herbs in north America with pictures of all the parts so you can identify them. Then we have some gardening books too and pamplets. So as you see it is a fun project. FP

MARELIN: I love the sound of that-- Back when We were Grownups. Have you atarted it yet? Enjoyable?

Alf,Yes I read it in two days.I enjoyed it . Like all Anne Tyler's books it has delightful characters and interesting situations.

Hi, I am not new to Senior Net but new to this section. I like the sound of Patchwork Planet and Back When We Were Grownups. Going to order them from the library. I listen to a lot of books-on-tape and try to read at least one or two books a month. I do believe that the written word means more to the mind. I love the unabridged books-on-tape and I have my favorite narrators, but reading is different-probably because you put your OWN spin on the written word! I am listening to a Taylor Caldwell novel right now-Dear and Glorious Phtsician. I read all of her books when I was younger and it was like finding an old friend when I saw this tape. I believe she is dead now-I am going to try to get more of her novels on tape. As I sais I, I read most of them, but they bear listening to again! Hope this is not too long and boring!

Hi, Wilan!!

No, it's not at all boring, we like to hear from everyone here! Yes, I always liked Taylor Caldwell, too. Reading your post reminded me of how I always used to look for books by that author every time I went to the library. I never bought books in those days, waited until I was given one as a gift, or whatever. Even with those low prices, we couldn't afford to buy a book. Thank God for libraries, even today, right?

Lorrie

Welcome Wilan. I, like you and Lorrie lvoed Taylor Caldwell. I have read everything that she has ever written . When we sold our house in NY State, I gave away all of my books and have missed the TC stories most. I never thought of listening to them again. I'm going to have to find a library that might house them. Ours is not very well stocked with tapes. Back when We Were Grownups keeps popping up all over . Maybe it's an omen. Has anyone here read it? Should we use it as a suggestion for a future discusion?

...is a wonderful author. Her Captains and Kings rang so true when I read it.

I see a few mentions here of "Back When We were Grownups." the reviews are good, it looks like a good book, and it's available in paperback. Does anyone think this is worthwhile starting a discussion for? Remember, it takes a quorum. And a quorum consists of three or more people!

Lorrie

Has anyone read the reviews for the new book, "Nickel and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreich? There was some talk of this being the subject of a discussion, would anyone here be interested? It's non-fiction, the report of a woman who took several low-paying jobs at low wages to discover how hard it is for some people to get by in boom times. Would anyone like to join in a short discussion of this book?

Lorrie

It has been so long since I've been able to get back here and I really miss it! I had a very busy job this past spring and have spent the last couple of weeks catching up on everything else.

Seems that everyone is doing well and certainly doing a lot of reading! That is another thing I need to catch up on. Need to read as many past posts as I can to find what is recommended. "Back When We Were Grownups" sounds fascinating!

Has anyone read a book called "Chalktown?" I believe it is written by Melinda Haynes...She also wrote "Mother of Pearl." I am interested in "Chalktown" because it is written about the area in Mississippi where my father was born and raised. My Grandfather was the sheriff of that county many, many years ago. I read a blurb about it in Southern Living this month and it sounds like it might be a good read. If anyone has read it please let me know how it is!

Hi all, Just ordered 'Back When We Were Grownups' from the library-they have it on tape, but I think I want to read this one. have to wait-am l4th on th list. It is sort of good-have quite some to finish. I like the sound of it and want to get my own impressions.

I had forgotten about TC's 'Captain and Kings'. I am pretty sure I read it, but intend to get it again--So many books, so little time (even if I am retired!) I sometimes wonder how I ever held down a full time job and raised a family-where did I find the time?! It's probaaably a good thing that I did not have a computer, then! Peace Wilan

I just finished Back When we Were Grownups and would love to talk with someone about it. Let me know when you've finished it Wilan.

I just finished Folly by Laurie King. The following is a review I read but it sums up my feelings about this very intriguing and suspenseful story. I enjoyed it very much .A very good read for a summer vacation or antime.

An absorbing, well written novel for readers who enjoy Mary Higgins Clark. Rae Newborn is a strong central character with a history of depression. The setting is the San Juan Islands near Vancouver where Rae, a prize winning wood worker decides to restore the island home of her Uncle that burned over seventy years earlier. There are several subplots that have to do with Rae's family, her isolated childhood, a mental illness that has estranged her grown daughter and a husband and child killed in an auto accident. Highly recommended.>

Alf, I just ordered the book and it will be sometime until I get it, but I would love to discuss it with you. I just love giving and receiving opinions on books. I learn and look for so much more in a book when I can talk to someone about it. Right now, I am listening to Stephen King's book 'Dreamcatcher' I am struggling with it-it is very gory and the language is really hair raising. I do not think that I am going to finish it. I love King, but some of his books are a little too far out for my mind to accept. I think that this 'Dreamcatcher' may be one of them.

Wilan

Wilan, I just finished reading "Dreamcatchers" and I must tell you I was bitterly disappointed. I thought the plot was far-fetched, the characters unbelievable, and I kept trying to make sense out of the mind-reading" thing. I've been a fan of King's for years, but I believe this is one of his worst. The only thing I can say is that i read somewhere that he wrote this book while still undergoing therapy for his awful injuries---in fact, I think King even mentions this in hiw foreword, or at the ending.

Lorrie

I finished Back When We Were Grownups a couple of months ago I would like to discuss it with you but I have to ask for your patience, I have a habit of quickly reading a book and then struggling to remember what I read I would like to give a discussion a chance.

That's ok Marelin I think we all do that. I really am anxious to talk about this book with someone.

Lorrie I am still struggling with Dreamcatcher. I can see traces of what might have been SK's experiences in the hospital, but I think that I am disappointed in this story. I saw a kinder, gentler SK in some of his later books and this story seems cruel to me. I am only about halfway through-I keep stopping and then going back-sort of like a kid with a scab! I found the images the book creates in my mind hard to absorb-I got through the language OK. A person's choice of language is just words, but it was and is hair raising to me! My views may change. This new book by Mr. King is certainly controversial. I have been reading posts on a Web site of his and the book certainly has created some avid opinions! Alf-My library has a computer connection with twenty five other libraries on the East Coast, so I can get almost anything I order. I can order from my home, through my computer. I have not found too many Taylor Caldwell books-on-tape, but I am still trying. I do have I, Judas-it is next on my listening agenda! Wilan

Remember Clan of the Cave Bear? The next book in the series will be out spring of 2002 according to a note in the paper last week. It has been eleven years since her last book. Her is Jean Auel.

O'SHARNY: I liked Clan of the Cave Bear a lot and better than the others in the series. I wonder what the new one will be like. Looking forward to it.

Now that copies of the book are more available, has anyone started reading the best-seller "Nickle and Dimed" yet: Whatever, come and join us now: In a world where we are heady with dot.com’s and mergers, and everyone seems to have his slice of the pie, does anyone give a thought to the millions out there whose dream hasn’t come true? Announcing the opening of a brand new discussion, the best-selling “Nickel and Dimed,”by Barbara Ehrenreich. Come join us in discussing this controversial non-fiction book!

Open now for pre-discussion comments.

NICKEL AND DIMED

Lorrie

Oh my - on Monday evening I stopped at B&N in Round Rock after helping some clients inspect their house as it is being built. Thought I would simply take a coffee break and look at some magazines but eyed the Lance Armstrong book and started to read it.

I am not a bike nut although Lance lives here in Austin and there are a steady stream of Bikers on the streets at all times day or night and I knew he returned from cancer to win the Tour de France. IN fact I even bought the book as a gift for the wife of a loan officer I use a lot. She was having both breasts removed with Cancer.

Well I was not prepared for this book - wonderful is too tame a word - not only is Lance as forthwith about every phase of his life's experience, his more serious than I ever knew cancer right down to his financial situation written in dollars and cents since he was between sponsors and would not be covered by insurance till weeks into the illness the CEO of one of his supporters pulled a power play to get him coverage. His training and the Tour is described step by step with the associations he saw to his fighting for his life and life itself. What survival looks like and recovery and the emotional trauma of each step till his son Luke is born.

This book is so intense I read Monday, last evening and couldn't get anything done today till I finished it. My head is going, my resolve is going, my body does not want to stop moving - I have never read a book where I really felt what it would be like to face death. What life is really about and sometimes it is no more than "yawning senselessness." other times it is filled with pain or wonder. How we accept it all and what we do with our pain and how we react in fear, what do we do with our lives and who we are - it is all there along with the most well written description of winning actual races that had my adrenaline pumping. You will be glued to this book and come away in awe.

Alf-I am almost finished with the book-not too sure of what I think, yet. Am in the process of 'mulling it' over. I watched a video the other night that has the same theme, more or less. It was Nicholas Cage's 'Family Man' only they called it 'glimpses'! The fork in the road-isn't there a poem about that? My mother always said that you could not go back-true?

It looks as though this book will be chosen for discussion in Ocober-shall we wait until then?

Peace Wilan

Wilan: I'll be there!

I just finihed a book I enjoyed very much The Blue Diary by Alice Hoffman Has anyone read it?

NANA B:

That title has a familiar ring to it. I can't recall where I heard of it before, but I'm going to look it up. Is it a good book? Do you think it should be suggested in the Suggestion Box for discussion?

Lorrie

Lorrie..Because I tend to ramble on when describing a book I copied this synopsis from Barnes and Noble.I think it would make a good discussion .It gave me serious thought as to how much commitement to the marriage vows "for better or worse" a person has and what circumstances would cause them to break this vow. Out of curiosity I read other readers reviews and most gave Blue Diary five stars. Here is the synopsis.

"When Ethan Ford fails to show up for work on a brilliant summer morning, none of his neighbors would guess that for more than thirteen years, he has been running from his past. His true nature has been locked away, as hidden as his real identity. But sometimes locks spring open, and the devastating truths of Ethan Ford's history shatter the small-town peace of Monroe, affecting family and friends alike.

This deeply felt and compelling novel makes it clear why Alice Hoffman has been called "one of the best writers we have today" (Cleveland Plain Dealer). Honest, shattering, seductive, and ultimately healing, Blue Diary is an unforgettable novel by a writer who tells "truths powerful enough to break a reader's heart" (Time)."

ran some of the first chapter of the Blue Diary . I didn't save it, but there may be someone who did. The excerpts felt dream like to me. But, I didn't read the whole thing.

Thank you, NanaB and gaj!

The submission of "The Blue Diary" by Alice Hoffman will now go into ur suggestion box. Sounds like a good one!.

Book Suggestions

Lorrie

Hi I am reading Sue Grafton's P Is For Peril and enjoying it.When I begin her latest alphabet book I ask myself"Will this be the one that disappoints?" So far I have never been disappointed and have enjoyed all .Not only do I enjoy the mysteries she writes about but also we get to view Kinsey's personal life. Only ten more to go(lol)

After I posted I realised this book should be in the Mystery thread.I put my post there.

NANA B: I am sure it is fine that you posted here. You can post about the book in both places.

I wonder if that is why it has been quiet in here. People are posting in places that seem more in line with what they are talking about. (does that make sense?)

I find it interesting to read about the different kinds of books people like without going into depth about each type of book.

To be in line with what I just said, I just finished reading Happy Endings by Katherine Stone. (I already posted about this in Romance.) The story was intriguing and the ending was happy. I felt good when I was reading the book and when I finished it. It is about 3 successful women. Two have only a very slight connection at the beginning and by the end, when all three have found the love of their life, they are all connected. Each has a childhood to "get over" in order to become the confident individuals they are at the end.

Marjorie

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Well, HELLO, Cam! How are you? Out on your boat? We're glad to see you and your colors again!

ginny